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Oswald's Rifle Capability
Zeon Mason:
Oswald didn't have the option of working the bolt repeatedly just before shooting, because he is in the sniper nest by 12:24 (to have placed box on window ledge just before Bronson film starts) and during this 6 minutes of time Harold Norman was RIGHT under him, and SURELY Norman would have heard the "clak clak" of the bolt operating if Oswald working it.
And Oswald had not worked the bolt therefore until he had last had the rifle in hand, IF he was the shooter seen by Arnold Rowland at 12:15 at the SW window of TSBD 6th floor.
so 15 minutes of not having worked the bolt beforehand, plus having to use iron sights fixed for a zero of 200 meters, plus having to have remained out of sight, thus NOT IN position premptively, makes this NOT a simple exercise. The top military snipers , Carlos Hathcock, and Craig Roberts were high skeptical:
?The reason I knew that Oswald could not have done it, was because I could not have done it,? said former US Marine sniper, Craig Roberts. Credited with numerous kills while serving in Vietnam , Roberts turned an objective eye on the shot heard ?round the world. After he visited Dealey Plaza, after viewing the so-called ?sniper?s lair,? on the sixth floor of the book depository, and after staring at the large oak tree overspreading much of Elm Street, Roberts said, ?I walked away from the window in disgust. I had seen all I needed to know that Oswald could not have been the lone shooter.?
Not content with his own critical appraisal, Roberts turned to another, equally knowledgeable shooter. ?According to my friend, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, the former senior instructor for the US Marine Corps Sniper Instructor School at Quantico, Virginia, it could not be done as described by the FBI investigators.?
?Let me tell you what we did at Quantico,? Hathcock recalls. ?We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don?t know how many times we tried it, but we couldn?t duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did. Now if I can?t do it, how in the world could a guy who was a non-qual on the rifle range and later only qualified 'marksman' do it??
https://www.liberalforum.org/topic/233951-oswald-couldnt-have-done-itshot-impossible-says-2-famed-snipers/
Walt Cakebread:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on February 25, 2019, 08:12:44 PM ---Oswald didn't have the option of working the bolt repeatedly just before shooting, because he is in the sniper nest by 12:24 (to have placed box on window ledge just before Bronson film starts) and during this 6 minutes of time Harold Norman was RIGHT under him, and SURELY Norman would have heard the "clak clak" of the bolt operating if Oswald working it.
And Oswald had not worked the bolt therefore until he had last had the rifle in hand, IF he was the shooter seen by Arnold Rowland at 12:15 at the SW window of TSBD 6th floor.
so 15 minutes of not having worked the bolt beforehand, plus having to use iron sights fixed for a zero of 200 meters, plus having to have remained out of sight, thus NOT IN position premptively, makes this NOT a simple exercise. Thats probably 2 top military snipers , Carlos Hathcock, and Craig Roberts were high skeptical:
?The reason I knew that Oswald could not have done it, was because I could not have done it,? said former US Marine sniper, Craig Roberts. Credited with numerous kills while serving in Vietnam , Roberts turned an objective eye on the shot heard ?round the world. After he visited Dealey Plaza, after viewing the so-called ?sniper?s lair,? on the sixth floor of the book depository, and after staring at the large oak tree overspreading much of Elm Street, Roberts said, ?I walked away from the window in disgust. I had seen all I needed to know that Oswald could not have been the lone shooter.?
Not content with his own critical appraisal, Roberts turned to another, equally knowledgeable shooter. ?According to my friend, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, the former senior instructor for the US Marine Corps Sniper Instructor School at Quantico, Virginia, it could not be done as described by the FBI investigators.?
?Let me tell you what we did at Quantico,? Hathcock recalls. ?We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don?t know how many times we tried it, but we couldn?t duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did. Now if I can?t do it, how in the world could a guy who was a non-qual on the rifle range and later only qualified 'marksman' do it??
https://www.liberalforum.org/topic/233951-oswald-couldnt-have-done-itshot-impossible-says-2-famed-snipers/
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Oswald didn't have the option of working the bolt repeatedly just before shooting, because he is in the sniper nest by 12:24
No , That's not correct.....Lee was in the first floor lunchroom at about 12:26 whe Jarman and Norman passed by on their way to the fifth floor....
Tim Nickerson:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on February 25, 2019, 08:12:44 PM ---Oswald didn't have the option of working the bolt repeatedly just before shooting, because he is in the sniper nest by 12:24 (to have placed box on window ledge just before Bronson film starts) and during this 6 minutes of time Harold Norman was RIGHT under him, and SURELY Norman would have heard the "clak clak" of the bolt operating if Oswald working it.
And Oswald had not worked the bolt therefore until he had last had the rifle in hand, IF he was the shooter seen by Arnold Rowland at 12:15 at the SW window of TSBD 6th floor.
so 15 minutes of not having worked the bolt beforehand, plus having to use iron sights fixed for a zero of 200 meters, plus having to have remained out of sight, thus NOT IN position premptively, makes this NOT a simple exercise. Thats probably 2 top military snipers , Carlos Hathcock, and Craig Roberts were high skeptical:
?The reason I knew that Oswald could not have done it, was because I could not have done it,? said former US Marine sniper, Craig Roberts. Credited with numerous kills while serving in Vietnam , Roberts turned an objective eye on the shot heard ?round the world. After he visited Dealey Plaza, after viewing the so-called ?sniper?s lair,? on the sixth floor of the book depository, and after staring at the large oak tree overspreading much of Elm Street, Roberts said, ?I walked away from the window in disgust. I had seen all I needed to know that Oswald could not have been the lone shooter.?
Not content with his own critical appraisal, Roberts turned to another, equally knowledgeable shooter. ?According to my friend, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, the former senior instructor for the US Marine Corps Sniper Instructor School at Quantico, Virginia, it could not be done as described by the FBI investigators.?
?Let me tell you what we did at Quantico,? Hathcock recalls. ?We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don?t know how many times we tried it, but we couldn?t duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did. Now if I can?t do it, how in the world could a guy who was a non-qual on the rifle range and later only qualified 'marksman' do it??
https://www.liberalforum.org/topic/233951-oswald-couldnt-have-done-itshot-impossible-says-2-famed-snipers/
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Hathcock & Kennedy Assassination?
Bill Chapman:
--- Quote from: Zeon Mason on February 25, 2019, 08:12:44 PM ---Oswald didn't have the option of working the bolt repeatedly just before shooting, because he is in the sniper nest by 12:24 (to have placed box on window ledge just before Bronson film starts) and during this 6 minutes of time Harold Norman was RIGHT under him, and SURELY Norman would have heard the "clak clak" of the bolt operating if Oswald working it.
And Oswald had not worked the bolt therefore until he had last had the rifle in hand, IF he was the shooter seen by Arnold Rowland at 12:15 at the SW window of TSBD 6th floor.
so 15 minutes of not having worked the bolt beforehand, plus having to use iron sights fixed for a zero of 200 meters, plus having to have remained out of sight, thus NOT IN position premptively, makes this NOT a simple exercise. Thats probably 2 top military snipers , Carlos Hathcock, and Craig Roberts were high skeptical:
?The reason I knew that Oswald could not have done it, was because I could not have done it,? said former US Marine sniper, Craig Roberts. Credited with numerous kills while serving in Vietnam , Roberts turned an objective eye on the shot heard ?round the world. After he visited Dealey Plaza, after viewing the so-called ?sniper?s lair,? on the sixth floor of the book depository, and after staring at the large oak tree overspreading much of Elm Street, Roberts said, ?I walked away from the window in disgust. I had seen all I needed to know that Oswald could not have been the lone shooter.?
Not content with his own critical appraisal, Roberts turned to another, equally knowledgeable shooter. ?According to my friend, Gunnery Sergeant Carlos Hathcock, the former senior instructor for the US Marine Corps Sniper Instructor School at Quantico, Virginia, it could not be done as described by the FBI investigators.?
?Let me tell you what we did at Quantico,? Hathcock recalls. ?We reconstructed the whole thing: the angle, the range, the moving target, the time limit, the obstacles, everything. I don?t know how many times we tried it, but we couldn?t duplicate what the Warren Commission said Oswald did. Now if I can?t do it, how in the world could a guy who was a non-qual on the rifle range and later only qualified 'marksman' do it??
https://www.liberalforum.org/topic/233951-oswald-couldnt-have-done-itshot-impossible-says-2-famed-snipers/
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"Oswald didn't have the option of working the bolt repeatedly just before shooting"
>>> So what. He already had the feel of the rifle. Only FBI testers used the actual rifle afaik, and they said they could improve their times with more practice.
Seems Oswald was in the zone that day..
Jerry Freeman:
--- Quote ---Mr. LIEBELER - Do you mean to suggest by that statement that you have considerable doubt in your mind that Oswald killed the President?
Mr. ANDREWS - I know good and well he did not. With that weapon, he couldn't have been capable of making three controlled shots in that short time.
Mr. LIEBELER - You are basing your opinion on reports that you have received over news media as to how many shots were fired in what period of time; is that correct?
Mr. ANDREWS - I am basing my opinion on five years as an ordnanceman in the Navy. You can lean into those things, and with throwing the bolts--if I couldn't do it myself, 8 hours a day, doing this for a living, constantly on the range, I know this civilian couldn't do it. He might have been a sharp marksman at one time, but if you don't lean into that rifle and don't squeeze and. control consistently, your brain can tell you how to do it, but you don't have the capability.
Mr. LIEBELER - You have used a pronoun in this last series of statements, the pronoun "it." You are making certain assumptions as to what actually happened, or you have a certain notion in your mind as to what happened based on material you read in the newspaper?
Mr. ANDREWS - It doesn't make any difference. What you have to do is lean into a weapon, and, to fire three shots controlled with accuracy, this boy couldn't do it. Forget the President.
Mr. LIEBELER - You base that judgment on the fact that, in your own experience, it is difficult to do that sort of thing?
Mr. ANDREWS - You have to stay with it. You just don't pick up a rifle or a pistol or whatever weapon you are using and stay proficient with it. You have to know what you are doing. You have to be a conniver. This boy could have connived the deal, but I think he is a patsy. Somebody else pulled the trigger.
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/andrews.htm
Oswald what now? Practiced working the bolt while aiming at the cuckoo in the clock? :D
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