ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #91 on: February 24, 2019, 02:13:34 PM »
It is quite inaccurate to state that 99% of the accounts point to a Baker-Oswald-Truly encounter in the 2nd fl lunchroom!
-------------Officer Baker's 11/22 affidavit
-------------What DPD were telling the press 11/22
-------------What Mr O Campbell was telling the press 11/22
-------------What Mr Oswald was telling Captain Fritz 11/22
-------------The joint interrogation report written by Agents Bookhout & Hosty 11/22
-------------Inspector Harry D. Holmes Warren Commission testimony ("First floor. Front entrance... Vestibule")

The 2nd fl lunchroom encounter was invented the evening of 11/22.

Now! There are two bombshells in the Hosty note:

Bombshell 1: Mr Oswald, far from confirming a 2nd fl lunchroom incident, spoke only of buying a coke up there before the motorcade
Bombshell 2: Mr Oswald, far from placing himself in the domino room at the time of the motorcade, spoke of having gone outside to watch the motorcade

Your LHO timeline:
1. Breaks for lunch about noon
2. Buys coke in 2nd fl lunchroom
3. Returns to first floor to eat lunch

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But! What happens next is not that Mr Oswald decides---------at what just so happens to be the very time the shooting is taking place---------to go back up for a second coke!

No! He hears the commotion/excitement out front as the motorcade approaches Elm Street, runs down to the front entrance and steps "outside to watch P. Parade".

He tells all this freely to Captain Fritz on 11/22/63. A decision is made to bury his claim in obfuscation, omission, misrepresentation---------and an excursus into outright fiction-writing (2nd fl lunchroom incident). Mr Oswald's death makes that decision a whole lot easier to implement.

Not until February 2019 will Mr Oswald finally be granted a chance to tell his own side of the story! There is an all too obvious reason for that, and years of attachment to the lunchroom story should blind one to that reason.

Sorry, Mr Cakebread, but the inconvenient data in the Hosty notes cannot be wished away.

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These notes were NOT written by Hosty.....They were written by James Bookhout.....


On page 613 of WR there is a copy of James Bookhout's typed report (see link below)....In that report he makes the same erroneous statement that he made in his scribbled notes....EXCEPT in the typed report he corrects himself and instead of saying the Lee went to outside to watch the P parade, he wrote....
Quote... "Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed the building"...unquote

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0319a.htm
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #92 on: February 24, 2019, 02:59:21 PM »
These notes were NOT written by Hosty.....They were written by James Bookhout.....


On page 613 of WR there is a copy of James Bookhout's typed report ....In that report he makes the same erroneous statement that he made in his scribbled notes....EXCEPT in the typed report he corrects himself and instead of saying the Lee went to outside to watch the P parade, he wrote....
Quote... "Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed the building"...unquote

Incorrect! The report you quote from is not 'James Bookhout's typed report', it is the typed joint report of Jameses Hosty & Bookhout.

To dismiss the words "Then went outside to watch P. Parade" as the "erroneous statement" in the "scribbled notes", and to see nothing at all suspicious in the fact that it got translated to the much vaguer "on the first floor" in the typed joint report, only to be disappeared completely in the subsequent solo Bookhout report, is merely to show that your mind is completely closed to new evidence.

You're free to continue believing in the lunchroom incident, Mr Cakebread, but at least be clear about what that belief now entails:
------------Mr Oswald lied when he told Captain Fritz he bought that Coca Cola before the motorcade
------------Hosty, Bookhout et al's systematic suppression of Mr Oswald's claim is of no evidentiary value.

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #93 on: February 24, 2019, 03:14:28 PM »
Incorrect! The report you quote from is not 'James Bookhout's typed report', it is the typed joint report of Jameses Hosty & Bookhout.

To dismiss the words "Then went outside to watch P. Parade" as the "erroneous statement" in the "scribbled notes", and to see nothing at all suspicious in the fact that it got translated to the much vaguer "on the first floor" in the typed joint report, only to be disappeared completely in the subsequent solo Bookhout report, is merely to show that your mind is completely closed to new evidence.

You're free to continue believing in the lunchroom incident, Mr Cakebread, but at least be clear about what that belief now entails:
------------Mr Oswald lied when he told Captain Fritz he bought that Coca Cola before the motorcade
------------Hosty, Bookhout et al's systematic suppression of Mr Oswald's claim is of no evidentiary value.

Alan...You're being a fool......

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #94 on: February 24, 2019, 03:36:34 PM »
I've never seen this notes before.  Is there a link? I know that he had written a book.

Hi Jerry....I'm convinced that the scribbled notes are the notes of James Bookhout.....I've never seen them either.....But I would like to see them....

But I doubt that Mr Alan Ford will oblige us and post them.....
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Offline Steve Logan

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #95 on: February 25, 2019, 10:54:07 PM »
Does anybody have any testimony or an affidavit where Frazier says he left the stairs prior to going back into the TSBD and going downstairs to eat his couple of all important cheese sandwiches? When did Frazier have the opportunity to see Oswald outside after the shooting?

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #96 on: February 25, 2019, 11:00:42 PM »
Does anybody have any testimony or an affidavit where Frazier says he left the stairs prior to going back into the TSBD and going downstairs to eat his couple of all important cheese sandwiches? When did Frazier have the opportunity to see Oswald outside after the shooting?

None of Mr B. Lovelady's official statements support his being outside on the steps at the time Messrs Hughes & Martin are filming, yet.... there he is!

Mr Frazier kept something hidden for nearly 40 years. And then he revealed it.

He has been keeping something else hidden for 55 years. One can only hope he will see his way to revealing it before he passes.

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Re: ML Baker Sept '64 FBI Affidavit- Oswald and the Soda
« Reply #97 on: February 25, 2019, 11:11:41 PM »
None of Mr B. Lovelady's official statements support his being outside on the steps at the time Messrs Hughes & Martin are filming, yet.... there he is!

Mr Frazier kept something hidden for nearly 40 years. And then he revealed it.

He has been keeping something else hidden for 55 years. One can only hope he will see his way to revealing it before he passes.

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He has been keeping something else hidden for 55 years. One can only hope he will see his way to revealing it before he passes.

I'll assume that you're referring to the paper bag.....   Personally I don't believe that Frazier saw Lee with an extra long paper bag that morning....

He might have seen a bag that was a bit longer than the usual lunch sack, but it was not even the 24 inch length that he said he saw.   

But in being fair....I can't blame him for trying to keep himself out of the fire.   However He is tuck with the story of seeing Lee carrying a long paper bag, and he dare not recant that tale.....because if he does....They'll get him for lying to the authorities.....