Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?

[Walt Cakebread]

WALT,

David Josephs is, like you and most other CTers, a true believer that the evil, evil, evil CIA did it, but he says Oswald didn't  go to Mexico City.

Can you rebut him on that?

https://kennedysandking.com/content/mexico-city-part-1

--- Mudd Wrassler Tommy 

David Josephs is, like you and most other CTers, a true believer that the evil, evil, evil CIA did it,

I don't believe the CIA did it....  Although I'm no fan of the CIA...( An organization that completely contradicts our American values of human  decency and christian charity)  I don't believe "THE" CIA as an organization was behind the coup d etat....  And the reason I don't believe it was "THE"  CIA is because many many CIA agents would have rebelled against such an outrageous, and treasonous,  criminal act....  and JFK would have known that "THE" CIA was plotting to seize control of the government.  This is not to say that there were not CIA people ( or EX CIA ) deeply involved .....

The plot was created by EX CIA agents..... but When Hoover and LBJ learned of the plot, the renegade CIA agents no longer had control...

he says Oswald didn't  go to Mexico City.  Can you rebut him on that?

I probably could.... But it would require more time and energy than I could muster....

[Thomas Graves]

David Josephs is, like you and most other CTers, a true believer that the evil, evil, evil CIA did it,

I don't believe the CIA did it....  Although I'm no fan of the CIA...( An organization that completely contradicts our American values of human  decency and christian charity)  I don't believe "THE" CIA as an organization was behind the coup d etat....  And the reason I don't believe it was "THE"  CIA is because many many CIA agents would have rebelled against such an outrageous, and treasonous,  criminal act....  and JFK would have known that "THE" CIA was plotting to seize control of the government.  This is not to say that there were not CIA people ( or EX CIA ) deeply involved .....

The plot was created by EX CIA agents..... but When Hoover and LBJ learned of the plot, the renegade CIA agents no longer had control...

he says Oswald didn't  go to Mexico City.  Can you rebut him on that?

I probably could.... But it would require more time and energy than I could muster....

WALT,

You're not willing to be convinced that the man Ruby shot didn't go to Mexico City?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy 

[Walt Cakebread]

WALT,

You're not willing to be convinced that the man Ruby shot didn't go to Mexico City?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy 

I'm always willing to hear an argument....  And there's nothing better that solidly proven FACTS....

[Thomas Graves]

I'm always willing to hear an argument....  And there's nothing better that solidly proven FACTS....

Yeah?

And you feel you have such a corner on the Facts Market that you don't need to take any more in, or even to listen to someone else's interpretation of them?

Here's what James "Jumbo Duh" DiEugenio wrote recently at the EF:

I think I have said this before, but in a nutshell what I think David [Josephs] is ultimately going to do is redefine the whole Mexico City scenario.  He is going to do it based upon the latest documents that the CIA did not want to declassify.  I believe that in the end, these will be the new tenets of MC:

1. Oswald was not in Mexico City.

2. The short blonde guy [whom I've proved was "Third Secretary / Assistant Cultural Attache" KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov] did the charade.

3. Ochoa and Echeverria set up the phony transportation materials up and back.

4. [David A.] Phillips worked on the tapes and transcripts at the embassies, with Goodpasture covering up for him.

5.  Once Hoover finally did some work in this area, he understood that is was all a pile of paper mache.  He admitted this in private but not in public.

Comments?

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy 

PS  Since James Angleton believed CIA's Soviet Russia Division had been penetrated by a KGB/GRU mole, and since I've always found SR6's(?) omnipresent Bill Bright a bit suspicious, I might be willing to substitute his name for Phillips' name, above.

EDIT:  "Horsfall was the ubiquitous Bill Bright."
https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/State_Secret_Chapter5.html

[Jerry Freeman]

I'm always willing to hear an argument....  And there's nothing better that solidly proven FACTS....

OK did we go through all this. From David Josephs  .....

Mr. STERN. And at what time did you know of Oswald's trip to Mexico City and his apparent appearance there at the Russian Embassy?
Mr. HOSTY. The 25th of October.

Mr. STERN. Had you received any information about any other contacts with Russian officials by Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. HOSTY. Not at that time.
Mr. STERN. What other information did you have at anytime about that?
Mr. HOSTY. On November 22, after the assassination of President Kennedy, I was advised that our Washington field office of the FBI had determined that he, Lee Oswald, had been in contact with the Soviet Embassy in Washington, D.C. I learned that after the assassination.
Mr. STERN. After the assassination?
Mr. HOSTY. Right, sir.

Uhhh, not so much Mr. Hosty...  you knew a week earlier and lied about it... 

We know that Allen Dulles was there [mainly] to make sure that the Agency's soiled panties wouldn't be showing. Anything further is speculation. However there was a CIA operative/Alpha 66/Mob/military connection somewhere along the line I feel sure.

[Walt Cakebread]

OK did we go through all this. From David Josephs  .....
We know that Allen Dulles was there [mainly] to make sure that the Agency's soiled panties wouldn't be showing. Anything further is speculation. However there was a CIA operative/Alpha 66/Mob/military connection somewhere along the line I feel sure.

Mr. HOSTY. On November 22, after the assassination of President Kennedy, I was advised that our Washington field office of the FBI had determined that he, Lee Oswald, had been in contact with the Soviet Embassy in Washington, D.C. I learned that after the assassination.
Mr. STERN. After the assassination?
Mr. HOSTY. Right, sir.

This is a bare faced lie by Hosty....  It's common knowledge that Ruth Paine called Hosty on 10/8/63  and told him that she had a copy of a letter that Lee Oswald had written to the Russian Embassy...   

[Oscar Navarro]

Here is one of the copies of the transit visa that Oswald applied for when he visited the Cuban consulate in Mexico City. This was supplied by the Cuban government. The signature was identified as belonging to Oswald.

The Cuban official - Sylvia Turan Duran - who typed out the forms has said for more than 55 years that the man she met was Lee Harvey Oswald.

Silvia Tirado de Duran (in 1963) is Mexican, for what it's worth.