Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?

[Jerry Freeman]

I can't decipher this rambling.  You cited Oswald's acquisition of a passport and "visa" as being evidence of an impersonator because you claimed Oswald did not need these documents and would have been too lazy to obtain them.  I've explained why those documents were necessary for Oswald's trip (i.e. the passport was necessary to get to Cuba and the "visa" was actually a tourist card necessary to travel to Mexico).  So before moving on something else like in a game of whack-a-mole, how about just confirming your prior claim does not support your point?

Why don't you try and make sense.

[Richard Smith]

Why don't you try and make sense.

Oswald's acquisition of a passport and tourist card are not evidence of an imposter as was stupidly suggested.  Rather, they were necessary to accomplish his avowed purpose of traveling to Cuba via Mexico City.  Therefore, your claim contains a false premise (that these documents were not required) and incorrect information (that Oswald obtained a visa):  "I suggest that this visa was obtained by an impersonator who had the necessary credentials with the sole and solitary intent of establishing a paper trail that led straight to Oswald/Cuba."

It's pretty straightforward.

[Jerry Freeman]

Oswald's acquisition of a passport and tourist card are not evidence of an imposter as was stupidly suggested. 
It's pretty straightforward.

I believe I stated that an imposter may have acquired those documents and impersonated Oswald..it's pretty straightforward. 

[Richard Smith]

I believe I stated that an imposter may have acquired those documents and impersonated Oswald..it's pretty straightforward.

Nope.  You suggested they were evidence of an impersonator because they were not required for Oswald's trip to Mexico and Oswald was too lazy and cheap to have obtained such documents if they were not required.  Why else would you reference Oswald being "cheap" and "lazy" in this context?

"One thing that keeps nagging me. Established earlier...A passport [let alone a visa] was not required to visit Mexico back then.
Why would Oswald [who seemed cheap and apparently lazy in every other way] bother to get a visa some 10 days before he actually was supposed to have left?
I suggest that this visa was obtained by an impersonator who had the necessary credentials with the sole and solitary intent of establishing a paper trail that led straight to Oswald/Cuba."

The acquisition of passport to travel to Cuba and tourist card to travel to Mexico were necessary for Oswald's avowed purpose.  They in no way lend themselves to proving an imposter as you suggested based upon a false premise that they were not required and Oswald would not have gone to the trouble of obtaining them. 

[Steve M. Galbraith]

And for as many times..this was stated after the Mexican Federal goons beat the crap out of her and accused her of a probable affair with the accused assassin.Elena was a nutjob...go read her bio----   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Garro
https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKduranS.htm
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Go read this article. Disagree if desired but at least read it. OK?---
  https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKduranS.htm

  It is a tourist card. Steve Galbraith called it a visa and that slipped by me. One researcher [David Joesephs] made a big deal about the name with the comma after Lee.
It is no big deal.
The tourist card was likely required if someone was going into Mexico using public transportation.
Quote from: Steve M. Galbraith on February 05, 2020, 03:14:15 PM Can testimony on that be linked? These statements are repeated constantly without obvious support.
I still have seen nothing to support these claims. Sylvia Odio actually testified and she is a liar?
From the Report...  Contradiction --I thought he was saying that he was from Ft Worth.
From the Report...   This is no testimony.
From the Report...  From the Report... 

Duran testified to the HSCA that the man was Oswald. She said she was not beaten by the Mexican police but that they were rough with her and tried to force her to admit she was part of a communist plot to kill JFK. She also said she kicked one of them in the "balls".

In any case, she has told others that the man was Oswald.

Here is, again, what she told the HSCA:
HARDAWAY - Going back to when you recognized Oswald, the man whose picture you had seen in the paper as the man who had been at the Embassy three times. Were you certain that the man in the papers was the same man, before you checked your records at the archives?
TIRADO - Yes. Immediately I saw the paper, I told him [her husband] this was the man that I want to check.

"Yes. Immediately..."

She said she then went to the Cuban consulate to check on the visa application to make sure it was the same man. She said it was: Lee Harvey Oswald.

Her fully testimony is here: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscadurn.htm

[Jerry Freeman]

 

Duran testified to the HSCA that the man was Oswald. She said she was not beaten by the Mexican police  ....

CORNWELL - Would you like to state your name?
TIRADO - Silvia Tirado Bazan.
CORNWELL - And where's your present home address?
TIRADO - Avenida Universidad 1900 Edificio 12 Departmento 402 Colonia Numero De Terrenos
CORNWELL - For the record, my name is Gary Cornwell, and with me here is Ed Lopez, Harold Leap and Dan Hardway. We represent the House Select Committee on assassinations of the Congress of the United States. Also with us here today representing the Mexican Goverment is Honorio Escondon, Dr. Alfonso Orozco Contreras. Today is June 6, 1978 and the time is approximately 5:45 in the afternoon. Would you tell us what your date and place of birth is?
TIRADO - 22nd of November, 1937.

Silvia not likely to ever forget the day of the assassination.
She had to go back home to her family in safety after this interview.
Obviously some people do not understand the ruthlessness of the Federales.
So you guys are saying that Oswald was abandoning his family and leaving penniless with reckless abandon to gain entry into Cuba.
 &----If he was successful... then Kennedy would not have been killed in Dallas. Right?

[Jerry Freeman]

                       PETER DALE SCOTT – The Deeper Truth Still Not Revealed

Peter Dale Scott in Deep Politics 3 writes:

“In the days after the murders in Dallas the U.S. was flooded with dubious stories, most of them swiftly discredited, linking Oswald to either a Cuban or Soviet conspiracy. Those which most preoccupied the FBI and CIA all came out of Mexico. These stories exhibited certain common characteristics.”

“1. They all came from either directly from an intelligence source, or from someone in the hands of an intelligence agency. Nearly always the agency involved was the Mexican DFS or secret police. The DFS, along with the Nicaraguan intelligence service, which was also a source, were under CIA tutelage.”

“2 The Stories changed over time, to support either a pro-conspiratorial hypothesis (‘Phase One’) or a rebuttal of this (“’Phase Two’).”

“3. The Warren Commission was led to believe that the ‘Phase One’ stories were without basis. In fact a number of unresolved anomalies suggest that behind them was some deeper truth, still not revealed.”

“4. As noted the two main sources, Silvia Duran and Gilberto Alvarado, gave varying stories while detained by the DFS. Of the two, Duran was actually tortured, and Alvarado reportedly threatened with torture... In retrospect, these stories should not have been taken seriously. In fact the CIA was able to rely on them, not as a source of truth, but as a source of coercive influence over the rest of the government. It will help us to understand what was going on if we refer to the stories, not as 'information' or even as 'allegations,' but as MANAGED STORIES. To say this leaves open the question of who were the ultimate managers – the DFS, U.S. Officers in Mexico, or higher authorities in Washington.”

“The full history is complex and confused, with many unanswered questions. But nearly all of these managed stories, along with others outside Mexico.....resolve into this simple pattern of a Phase One/Phase Two evolution. To this day both 'Phase-One' and 'Phase-Two' versions are trotted out from time to time. These control public perceptions of the Kennedy assassination seize the debate from genuine critics who have less access to the media.”

“I do wish to argue that these managed stories, fleeting and insubstantial though they are, were of central importance in determining the outcome of the Kennedy assassination investigation. In succeeding years, furthermore, the discredited ‘Phase-One’ stories have been revived to manipulate public opinion, even after the CIA and FBI had agreed on a ‘Phase-Two’ interpretation of Oswald's movements in Mexico City. In 2013, for example, the discredited Garro story of the twist party was revived in a mainstream book by Philip Shenon. [Philip Shenon, A Cruel and Shocking Act: The Secret History of the Kennedy Assassination (New York: Henry Holt and Company, 2013), 496-98 etc.].”