Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?

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Offline Oscar Navarro

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #140 on: January 25, 2019, 01:24:57 AM »
Torchered? Is that when someone puts a torch up to somebody's Xxx-xxx
"Were's the evidence!!" ....Where is the evidence? [there I fixed it for you]
Really Oscar...slow down Bud and get a grip ;)https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Sylvia_Durans_Interrogation.html


Silvia Duran was not beaten, tortured  :), during her interrogations. That's directly from her HSCA testimony. In fact, that spunky little she wolf kicked one of the Mexican Security officers in the balls!! :D If anyone can lay claim to having been roughed up it was the Mexican Security police!!! :D  I see that you have officially cooped out of discussing the issues I've raised. I figured.   

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #141 on: January 25, 2019, 04:58:20 PM »
 

Silvia Duran was not beaten, tortured  :), during her interrogations. That's directly from her HSCA testimony. In fact, that spunky little she wolf kicked one of the Mexican Security officers in the balls!! :D If anyone can lay claim to having been roughed up it was the Mexican Security police!!! :D  I see that you have officially cooped out of discussing the issues I've raised. I figured.   
"I see that you have officially cooped out of discussing the issues I've raised. I figured." 
What the hell does that mean?
Let's not be coy.. I read that testimony and that testimony doesn't say that at all. Here..let's link it shall we?----
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscadurn.htm
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CORNWELL - Okay. At any rate, what can you remember about the nature of the contact. between Azcue and Fidel?
TIRADO - Fidel asked him what happened exactly that day in the Consulate and Azcue tried to remember everything and he said what he knew, that Fidel was afraid of uh, if I was going to say something false to, because I was threatened by the police, and uh, Ascue says that no, that I was honest and I was not going to do anything false. that that was not the right thing, the truth...
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Duran was interviewed by the House Select Committee on Assassinations in 1978. This testimony is classified. However, in 1979 Duran told the author, Anthony Summers that she told the HSCA that the man who visited the office was about her size (5 feet 3.5 inches). This created problems as Oswald was 5 feet 9.5 inches. When Summers showed Duran a film of Oswald taken at the time of his arrest, Duran said: "The man on the film is not like the man I saw here in Mexico City."
   https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKduranS.htm
So, which Silvia can we believe?
 

Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #142 on: January 25, 2019, 05:08:30 PM »
"I see that you have officially cooped out of discussing the issues I've raised. I figured." 
What the hell does that mean?
Let's not be coy.. I read that testimony and that testimony doesn't say that at all. Here..let's link it shall we?----
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscadurn.htm   https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKduranS.htm
So, which Silvia can we believe?
She said this in her HSCA testimony about the questioning/interrogation by the Mexican federales/security:

CORNWELL - During the questioning on all the subject matters that you had mentioned, did they make a verbatim transcript?
TIRADO - They used a little machine. They say it is a stenograph or something like that.
CORNWELL - They made a stenograph record.
TIRADO - Yeah, and a man was writing.
CORNWELL - All the questions and all the answers?
TIRADO - Yes.
CORNWELL - Did any of the procedures that we have asked you about cousel you to say anything to the police that was not the truth?
TIRADO - No, I don't think so. I don't have nothing to hide. So...
CORNWELL - Everything that you told them was the truth?
TIRADO - Yes.

"Everything that you told them was the truth? Yes."

Second, she has stated, to my knowledge, for more than 50+ years that the man who came to the consulate seeking a transit visa was Lee Oswald. If she saw him on film and didn't recognize him how does that contradict her specific statements that the man was Oswald? Besides, again, no one is relying solely on her eyewitness account. Those accounts can be unreliable. So we consider other corroborating evidence for her claims.

We have the photos on the visa application, we have Oswald's signatures on the applications (multiple copies), we have other witnesses saying they saw Oswald on the bus/at the hotel, we have the Mexican visa application with his signature, we have the signatures on the hotel registrar that was identified as his, we have Marina saying he went there, we have the Soviets saying he was there, we have Duran's note with her name and phone number among his possessions....

How much more evidence is needed?
« Last Edit: January 25, 2019, 05:35:15 PM by Steve M. Galbraith »

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #143 on: January 25, 2019, 05:43:53 PM »
She said this in her HSCA testimony about the questioning/interrogation by the Mexican federales/security:

CORNWELL - During the questioning on all the subject matters that you had mentioned, did they make a verbatim transcript?
TIRADO - They used a little machine. They say it is a stenograph or something like that.
CORNWELL - They made a stenograph record.
TIRADO - Yeah, and a man was writing.
CORNWELL - All the questions and all the answers?
TIRADO - Yes.
CORNWELL - Did any of the procedures that we have asked you about cousel you to say anything to the police that was not the truth?
TIRADO - No, I don't think so. I don't have nothing to hide. So...
CORNWELL - Everything that you told them was the truth?
TIRADO - Yes.

"Everything that you told them was the truth? Yes."

Second, she has stated, to my knowledge, for more than 50+ years that the man who came to the consulate seeking a transit visa was Lee Oswald. If she saw him on film and didn't recognize him how does that contradict her specific statements that the man was Oswald? Besides, again, no one is relying solely on her eyewitness account. Those accounts can be unreliable. So we consider other corroborating evidence for her claims.

We have the photos on the visa application, we have Oswald's signatures on the applications (multiple copies), we have other witnesses saying they saw Oswald on the bus/at the hotel, we have the Mexican visa application with his signature, we have the signatures on the hotel registrar that was identified as his, we have Marina saying he went there, we have the Soviets saying he was there, we have Duran's note with her name and phone number among his possessions....

How much more evidence is needed?

How much more evidence is needed?

How about a DNA sample....  Did the man leave a strand of hair on a pillow in the hotel room?

You can lead or prod a mule to the water trough, but there's no way that you can force the jackass to take a drink ......

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #144 on: January 25, 2019, 06:26:12 PM »
We have the photos on the visa application...Does not prove that Oswald went to Mexico
we have Oswald's signatures on the applications ...Does not prove that Oswald went to Mexico
we have other witnesses saying they saw Oswald on the bus/at the hotel...describe/link who they were and in detail their sworn testimony
we have the Mexican visa application with his signature....there was no visa to Mexico
we have the signatures on the hotel registrar that was identified as his....identified by who? And where is his signature at the Hotel Comercio photocopied along with the other visitors
we have Marina saying he went there...Oh Good Lord please!!! Marina was not with him
we have the Soviets saying he was there...Ah so trustworthy are you of the Ruskies :-\
we have Duran's note with her name and phone number among his possessions....That still does not prove he went to Mexico and can you provide a link to that entry?
How much more evidence is needed?....
Try starting all over again.        
 
 

Offline Thomas Graves

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #145 on: January 25, 2019, 08:40:57 PM »

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Dear Steve M. Galbraith,

How do you explain Duran's describing, in 1978, the Oswald she'd dealt with on 9/27/63 as being about the same height as her (she was 5' 3.5"), skinny, blond-haired, blue or green-eyed, and having an elongated (i.e., very thin) face?

Also, how do you explain Eusebio Azcue's describing him as being blond-haired, thin, 35 years old, very thin-faced, and wearing a blue Prince-of-Wales suit with crossing red stripes? 

Oh yeah, and as not being the same man that was charged with killing JFK about two months later?

Hint:  Nobody at all physically impersonated Oswald in Mexico City, but short, thin, blond-haired, very thin-faced, "Third Secretary/Assistant Cultural Attache" Nikoli Leonov did provide Duran with a photo of Oswald that had been taken in the USSR, and maybe even told her and Eusebio Ascue what to do and say.
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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Did Oswald Go To Mexico City?
« Reply #146 on: January 25, 2019, 09:03:45 PM »
How much more evidence is needed?

How about a DNA sample....  Did the man leave a strand of hair on a pillow in the hotel room?

You can lead or prod a mule to the water trough, but there's no way that you can force the jackass to take a drink ......
You're discussing the concept of DNA testing for events in 1963?

In any case, if they did test samples and it was Oswald's you'd just reject it as CIA disinformation. You think every piece of evidence implicating him is fake; why would you change with this?