The Magic Bullet - Fact or Fiction?

[Tim Nickerson]

YES

automatic rifle twice

Sorry about that my bad I misunderstood - not deliberate

still automatic rifle though

So when he says

"It was extremely rapid, so much so that again I thought that whoever was firing must be firing with an automatic rifle"

Its pretty clear

Ok, I concede to you that Connally did say that he "thought that whoever was firing must be firing with an automatic rifle". You do realize though that 10 to 12 seconds is more than what LNs like myself use in our arguments, right? Now, I haven't chained myself to this but I tend to believe that the first shot was at about Z153.

313 - 153 = 160

160/18.3 = 8.74 seconds

[Chris Bristow]

Jerry, I thought I had heard Cyril Wecht say the tendon was severed, I guess I was wrong on that. Regarding bending of the wrist, he did not bend it till well after the shot so I do not think it was involuntary. It looks like he did it to allow the hat to fit between himself and the door. My point was not about the fingers and thumb, it was about the wrist position changing.
 To say he could still move his wrist because it did not need bone graphs misses the point. Just having a bullet pass through the wrist would make it painful and difficult to bend the wrist. Also I think because the wrist bones are mounted on the radius it would be painful to articulate the wrist.
 These are interesting points to discuss but I try not to reach absolute conclusions about subjects like this. There just isn't enough data.

[Chris Bristow]

JBC was reacting to being hit because he was hit. The evidence for that is beyond doubt. No round came through the windshield. JBC was in the process of turning to his left when struck by CE-399. Even after being hit in the wrist JBC hangs on to his hat.

The fact they both reacted at the same time may look convincing but it does not prove he was hit as opposed to just reacting to being very close to the shot.
Connally said he turned to the right because he heard the gunshot on that side and also wanted to look at JFK. Then according to the SBT he was shot BEFORE he started to turn not during it. He also said he was unable to see JFK and started to tun to the other side. I make an assumption here that he must have tried to twist around as far as he could while attempting to see JFK. That would mean while missing 4 inches of rib on his RIGHT side he still twists very far to the right.
  I find all this questionable but I am not claiming anything here as proof of anything. Neither do I accept that the evidence is 'beyond doubt' that he was hit by the same round.

[Tim Nickerson]

The fact they both reacted at the same time may look convincing but it does not prove he was hit as opposed to just reacting to being very close to the shot.

You have Connally out to be a Barney Fife-like character.

Connally said he turned to the right because he heard the gunshot on that side and also wanted to look at JFK. Then according to the SBT he was shot BEFORE he started to turn not during it.

Where do you get that from? The SBT has him being hit as he was turning back toward the front after he had rotated to his right to try to see Kennedy over his right shoulder.  He began that initial turn to the right at about z157 and reached the maximum right rotation at z193. At the time of the strike (ca Z223), his upper torso is turned about 30 degrees to the right.

[Jack Trojan]

You think that they could test DNA back then?

DNA is shorthand for blood, flesh or bone, as if you didn't know.

None of the blood , flesh, or bone from Connally's torso would be expected to be on the bullet.

"A bullet that is not broken up during penetration usually emerges without detectable amounts of blood or tissue clinging to it. As it penetrates, the bullet is moving so rapidly that its primary effect on tissue is to push it aside, creating a temporary cavity, not pick it up." -- The JFK Myths: A Scientific Investigation of the Kennedy Assassination, by Larry Sturdivan, pg 120

https://www.amazon.com/JFK-Myths-Scientific-Investigation-Assassination/dp/1557788472

By the time that the FBI lab received the bullet, any blood that might have been on it from Connally's shallow thigh wound would have been wiped clean from being in the sheets of Connally's stretcher and the pocket linings of two or three people.

Horsesh@t. And I won't even get into the condition of the MB after it crashed thru JFK's T1 vertebrae and zig-zagged into Connally's chest and smashed thru his wrist bone (leaving material) only to fall out of his thigh and onto the wrong gurney with the copper jacket completely intact and only slightly deformed at the base. Almost like it was fired into a swimming pool.

If that's not magic, then I've got some beans you might be interested in.

[Andrew Mason]

Mr. DEVINE. The first shot that you hear which caused you to look to your right, I think you said you didn't get far enough around to see the President, is that accurate?
Mr. CONNALLY. That is correct.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscacon.htm

Fair enough. But that does not mean that he could have turned farther and decided not to turn farther.  The point is that he was trying to turn to see the President but couldn't catch him in the corner of his eye to see how he was so he decided to turn to the left, which is where it appeared to him he would get a better view of JFK - presumably because JFK had moved to the left.  Where do you see that move to the left in the zfilm prior to z225?

[Andrew Mason]

The simultaneous reaction of both Kennedy and Connally is unmistakable and undeniable. They were both hit at virtually the same time by the same bullet.

I agree that both are reacting at the same time to a shot. Whether the reactions began at the same time is not possible to tell because we cannot see if JFK began reacting while behind the Stemmons sign. He certainly appears very different when he emerges in z225 than he did in z193. The fact that both are reacting to a shot does not mean that they are reacting to being hit by it.  The evidence is pretty strong that there was only one shot to that point.  If that is the case, JBC is reacting to the first shot exactly as he said he did- by turning to his right to see the president because he had just heard a rifle shot and thought an assassination was occurring.