Circumstantial Evidence Khrushchev And/Or Castro Killed JFK

[Michael Walton]

The Russians nor Cubans had zero to do with the murder. Tom Graves admittedly is paranoid about Russia - now and 56 years ago. He bases his whole theory on some From Russia with Love nonsense down in MC.

A guy named Mike Clark recently posted what I thought was a very good rebuttal to Tom's paranoid Russkies Did It theory. In addition, all of the things below have to fall into place for the Russkies to pull it off:

[The Russkies] steer Oswald into the building in October for a job so he can then take the fall for the murder.

[The Russkies] need to have control of Oswald's files from the time he defects until he returns.

[The Russkies] need to know about the marked files in LHO's files saying that he's a certain height and weight. This is so, three years later, within 15 minutes of the shooting, those same dimensions are announced on the radio.

[The Russkies] need to get Tippit into place so he can be gunned down.

[The Russkies] need to control Jack Ruby so he'll gun Oswald down on Sunday.

Read State Secret by Bill Simpich. It goes into great detail about all of this. Things happen for a reason. The Cubans nor Russians had no real motive to get rid of Kennedy. Others, who he pissed off and upset the so-called world order apple cart, did.

Watch this movie by Oliver Stone, who Tom Graves admittedly despises. This is one of the more honest portrayals of Kennedy and his presidency. Then ask yourself - how could the Russkies/Castro have pulled it off? The answer is simple - they didn't.

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[Thomas Graves]

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Walton,

Unfortunately, you've been "brainwashed" (like so many other well-meaning Americans) into believing that neither the KGB nor the DGI had anything to do with the JFK assassination, but that the evil, evil, evil CIA "dood da deed".

-- MWT   

PS  Have you read Tennent H. Bagley's book Spy Wars or his 35-page PDF Ghosts of the Spy Wars, yet, or do they cause you so much cognitive-dissonance pain that you've gotta set 'em down?

Too boring?

Too many Russian names?

Okay, then, how about chapter 10 of Mark Riebling's fine 1994 book Wedge: The Secret War Between the FBI and CIA?  Think you can handle that?

https://archive.org/details/WedgeFromPearlHarborTo911HowTheSecretWarBetweenTheFBIAndCIAHasEndangeredNationalSecurity/page/n2

[Michael Walton]

Instead of reverting back to your From Russia with Love book, why don't you at least try to explain each thing I've listed? How could each of those things theoretically have taken place in the grand scheme of things?

[Michael Clark]

You do realize, do you not, that you are now asking and answering your own questions?

So what, Plato?

I'm secretly hoping you can help me "see the light," and metamorphose from my present cockroach state back into the oh-so socially acceptable form of a Tinfoil Hat-Wearing "The-Evil-Evil--Evil-CIA-Did-It!" Conspiracy Theorist.

Problem is, your theory doesn't take into account Duran's and Azcue's short, blond, very thin-faced Oswald, or the fact that CIA's Ivan Obyedkov was a KGB triple-agent, or that run-of-the-mill KGB officer Valiery Kostikov was made uber-radioactive by Hoover's beloved-but-triple-agent "Fedora" and a mysterious former (East?) German FBI double-agent by the name of Guenter Heinz Schulz, or that the above-referenced Blond Oswald claimed, in 1993, to have met one-on-one with an emotional, revolver-brandishing Lee Harvey Oswald at the Soviet Embassy on that Sunday in Mexico City, or ...

... or that the CIA might have been using Oswald in the USSR and/or in Mexico City in a highly compartmentalized mole hunt that ended up being piggybacked/compromized by the KGB or its sister-in-arms service, the DGI.

-- MWT 

edited and bumped for Mike

Hippias,

Your theory relies on transcripts of recordings that were erased by the CIA, weeks after the assassination. The Oswald in Mexico City did not fit the description of Oswald, did not sound like him, spoke poor Russian, and was 6 feet tall. Duran described a different man. There is no evidence for this Oswald doing what you say. The CIA destroyed their “evidence”.

Yours truly,

Plato

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

Walton,

Unfortunately, you've been "brainwashed" (like so many other well-meaning Americans) into believing that neither the KGB nor the DGI had anything to do with the JFK assassination, but that the evil, evil, evil CIA "dood da deed".

-- MWT   

PS  Have you read Tennent H. Bagley's book Spy Wars or his 35-page PDF Ghosts of the Spy Wars, yet, or do they cause you so much cognitive-dissonance pain that you've gotta set 'em down?

Too boring?

Too many Russian names?

Okay, then, how about chapter 10 of Mark Riebling's fine 1994 book Wedge: The Secret War Between the FBI and CIA?  Think you can handle that?

https://archive.org/details/WedgeFromPearlHarborTo911HowTheSecretWarBetweenTheFBIAndCIAHasEndangeredNationalSecurity/page/n2

The Russians did it
The Russians did not do it
Castro did it
Castro did not do it
CIA did it
CIA did not do it

Do you think the CIA, Russians or Castro were involved?

A more interesting question is why would a LNer, like yourself, spend any time discussing more than just Oswald being involved? Not only that but for you, Thomas Graves, to initiate the topic makes no sense. If you support the WC -- you support the WC. What is strange you are playing with 3 other theories as if one is more plausible than the other 2. That shows me you have no confidence in the LN theory. Is that because you know you can't even prove Oswald did it so you need an alternative theory?

[Thomas Graves]

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Dear Whatever Your Name Is,

Sorry to disappoint you, but since I believe that the CIA and the FBI, fearing nuclear Armeggedon and acute embarrassment, respectively -- due to the "WW III Virus" planted in Oswald's CIA file by KGB triple-agents Aleksei Kulak and Ivan Obyedkov (and probable Oswald phone impersonator Nikolai Leonov) and by FBI's failure to keep track of Oswald and to warn the Secret Service and the Dallas PD about him -- covered up evidence suggesting Khrushchev's and Castro's involvement in the assassination, I obviously don't believe everything in the Warren Report.

Question: Do you believe anything in the Warren Report?

Do you believe that the evil, evil, evil CIA killed JFK?

LOL

-- MWT 

[Peter Kleinschmidt]

Dear Whatever Your Name Is,

Sorry to disappoint you, but since I believe that the CIA and the FBI, fearing nuclear Armeggedon and acute embarrassment, respectively (due to the "WW III Virus" planted in Oswald's CIA file by KGB triple-agents Aleksei Kulak and Ivan Obyedkov, and by FBI's failure to keep track of Oswald and to warn the Secret Service and the Dallas PD about him), covered up evidence suggesting Khrushchev's and Castro's involvement in the assassination, I obviously don't believe everything in the Warren Report.

Question: Do you believe anything in the Warren Report?

Do you believe that the evil, evil, evil CIA killed JFK?

LOL

-- MWT 

It is strange that you wander off into an area that has nothing to do with Oswald being a LN.  When it comes to anything other than Oswald being a LN, there you are going out of your way to support the CIA. Why say anything, instead, you can't help yourself so out comes Tom's gossip tabloid bs. Just tell me you created these stories because then I will say you are one hell of a storyteller. The great CIA was so paranoid of the communist threat, that your LN re-enters the U.S. like he never left. At that point could a reasonable person say the CIA was evil? No, but lazy comes to mind. How could the CIA be lazy? They were not lazy. They sent Lee there and they welcomed him back. Use your head it is right on your shoulders. I love CIA because they know everything at the same time they know nothing.