Was JFK Killed By A Handgun?

[Bill Chapman]

Don't forget the possibility of suicide.  I eagerly await Rob's "supporting evidence" that he applies to any claim of Oswald's guilt.   Someone grounded in the facts and evidence with such a high level of subjective proof like Rob would never proffer the opinion of one person as a possible fact in this case.  Right?  Or is this where Rob tells us he is making no claim but we have to prove to his satisfaction that JFK was not killed with a pistol.

Files, for one, must have used a real magic bullet since he was in Chicago at the time of the shooting, despite his protests that he had a twin 'bro there... a little gem that his sister promptly debunked (if I recall correctly).

Or perhaps he solved QM to the point of being in two locations at once, along with  immediately disappearing.

In fact Oswald seems have improved on that by being upstairs/downstairs/front steps/loading dock simultaneously.

[Richard Smith]

Where is my opinion? I cited evidence and both you and Bill have ignored it and instead have made it about me. Typical.

But where is your "supporting evidence"?  Isn't that the endless song and dance game you play with any evidence of Oswald's guilt?  So prove to my subjective standard that JFK was shot with a pistol or you are "sunk."

[Greg Bonkowski]

No.

[Rob Caprio]

But where is your "supporting evidence"?  Isn't that the endless song and dance game you play with any evidence of Oswald's guilt?  So prove to my subjective standard that JFK was shot with a pistol or you are "sunk."

My evidence is in the OP. You have ignored it and gone on several rants about me instead. Why does the actual evidence scare you so much?

[Walt Cakebread]

Secret Service (SS) Agent Clint Hill said this about what he heard as he approached the limousine from the follow-up car.

Representative BOGGS. This was the first shot?

Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.

SS Agent Hill said he heard a sound similar to shooting a REVOLVER into a hard object. It seems Hill would receive support from a professional person on this verdict. His name was Dr. Charles Wilber and he was the medical examiner (that means he was a forensic pathologist) for Larimer County, Colorado. He would write a book called The Medico-Legal Investigation of the Late President John F. Kennedy Murder in 1978. Here is an excerpt from that book that agrees with Hill?s assessment of the noise he heard.

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Interpretation of the fatal head wound by several attending surgeons suggested a high velocity HAND GUN bullet fired at close range [as the cause of death]. (Dr. Charles Wilber, The Medico-Legal Investigation of the Late President John F. Kennedy Murder, 1978, p. 296)

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It seems the notion of JFK being shot up close with a pistol is not dead after all. The evidence of Agent Hill should have given the WC pause, but as usual they just ignored it.

I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object[/b][/color]--it seemed to have some type of an echo.

Hill's description of the sounds he heard are a bit ambiguous .....  I don't know why he would think that the sound of a revolver being fired into a hard object would be any different than a rifle being fired into a hard object...

Depending on the revolver and the rifle  involved one could sound just like the other....

IMO, Hill had heard a large caliber revolver bullet strike some hard object prior to the assassination, and was relating the sound he heard at the prior time, to the sound he heard when he was climbing aboard the Lincoln.

I've heard bullets strike plywood and they create a sharp bang when they strike....  I've also head the slap of a bullet striking flesh and that sound is more of a snap or slap than a bang.... I would guess that the sound of a bullet striking a skull would be a loud smack...Neither a bang nor a slap....

At any rate, I seriously doubt that a person could determine if the bullet had been fired from a revolver, or a rifle, simply by hearing the sound.

Now then, having said that, I do believe there is a distinct possibility that a pistol could have been one of the weapons that was fired at JFK that day....

[Royell Storing]

I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object[/b][/color]--it seemed to have some type of an echo.

Hill's description of the sounds he heard are a bit ambiguous .....  I don't know why he would think that the sound of a revolver being fired into a hard object would be any different than a rifle being fired into a hard object...

Depending on the revolver and the rifle  involved one could sound just like the other....

IMO, Hill had heard a large caliber revolver bullet strike some hard object prior to the assassination and was relating the sound he heard at the prior time to the sound he heard when he was climbing aboard the Lincoln.

I've heard bullets strike plywood and they create a sharp bang when they strike....  I've also head the slap of a bullet striking flesh and that sound is more of a snap or slap than a bang.... I would guess that the sound of a bullet striking a skull would be a loud smack...Neither a bang nor a slap....

At any rate I seriously doubt that a person could determine if the bullet had been fired from a revolver, or a rifle simply by hearing the sound.

Now then having said that I do believe there is a distinct possibility that a pistol could have been one of the weapons that was fired at JFK that day....

   SS Agents such as Hill carry & use a hand gun/revolver. He would be Very familiar with the sound of a bullet being fired from a Revolver.

[Walt Cakebread]

   SS Agents such as Hill carry & use a hand gun/revolver. He would be Very familiar with the sound of a bullet being fired from a Revolver.

Hill was referring to the sound of the BULLET striking the skull.... Not the gun being fired.

Clint Hill said ..."it seemed to have some type of an echo".

I believe Hill was describing the sound of the bullet impact followed immediately by the muzzle blast ( due to the speed of sound ) Hill would probably have heard the bullet impact first and then the sound of the gun being fired.