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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: WC Member's Views Confirmed By HSCA
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2018, 08:27:25 PM »
No---thanks for posting an interview years after the fact, that was very informative --- his very first statement from the Hospital bed is radically different than subsequent statements. His memory of the first shot was turning left after the first shot and seeing JFK slumped and feeling the pain of himself being wounded. His memory of the event is he was wounded immediately after hearing the gunshot and in the short time ("almost simultaneously")  it took to start to turn to look at JFK.

Hospital Interview 11/27
"I was sitting in the jump seat. I turned to my left to look in the back seat ? the president had slumped. He had said nothing. Almost simultaneously, as I turned, I was hit and I knew I had been hit badly."

In his statements JBC always thought the rifle shot and his wounding  were very close together
"were very, very brief span of time"
"Immediately after he heard the first shot"
"someone was shooting with an automatic rifle"
"rapidity of these two, of the first shot plus the blow that I took"

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube+john+connally&view=detail&mid=64958BDA7A92B2FCC2AD64958BDA7A92B2FCC2AD&FORM=VIRE13

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Bill, you seem sure there was a third shot, if you can prove there was a third shot by all means do so. It is well known JBC never heard but two shots.

Yeah, the first and third, according to his WC testimony
And the second shot he only felt (unless he punched himself in the back)

Other people heard 3 shots.

In addition:

Connally WC Testimony 1964

"We had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder,
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Offline Richard Smith

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Re: WC Member's Views Confirmed By HSCA
« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2018, 03:02:54 PM »
This is why taking things out context is bad. There wouldn't have been two bullets for all the wounds in JFK and JBC based on the official narrative. One bullet missed and one hit JFK in the head exclusively.

So explain how one bullet, jacketed or not, can cause seven wounds in two men. The SBT is NOT the answer as there is NO supporting evidence for it.

Have you seen the recreations in which the same model MC rifle with the same ammo is fired at the same angle/distance from Oswald's location?  It is a matter of physics.  Such a bullet fired from Oswald's distance using his rifle would easily pass through one body with sufficient force to cause the injuries to JC.  It is indisputable science.  It has been recreated many times.  It is not only possible but exactly what would happen.  Your baseless naysaying to the contrary is meaningless.

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« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2018, 03:43:27 PM »
This is why taking things out context is bad. There wouldn't have been two bullets for all the wounds in JFK and JBC based on the official narrative. One bullet missed and one hit JFK in the head exclusively.

So explain how one bullet, jacketed or not, can cause seven wounds in two men. The SBT is NOT the answer as there is NO supporting evidence for it.

By doing what FMJ bullets are designed to do. You don't know the function of FMJ ammo, Rob? Or why they were so-designed in the first place?

And where did I say one unjacketed bullet could effect the wounds seen in Connally? Unjacketed bullets will disperse their energy when entering a body.

'One bullet missed and one hit Kennedy in the head'
>>> And one hit JFK in the back/neck
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Offline Jack Nessan

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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2018, 03:45:56 PM »
Then quote her saying that JFK and JBC were hit by the same bullet.

JBC said he cried out Oh no no no after he was struck by the bullet. Nellie said that was after the first shot and before a "second" shot. Jackie coroborates Nellie's statement by referencing JBC crying out Oh no no no after the first shot too. Nellie originally "did not know about a third shot."  Jackie dismissed the media accounts of three shots and stated there was only two.
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How did Sen Russell account for the wound in JBC's back with JFK in the way and also the fact that the carcano took 2.3 seconds to cycle?

McCloy asked the question where is the bullet that went through JFK if it did not strike JBC.
"I don't know where that bullet could have gone if it didn't go through Governor Connally."

McCloy explains the WC had discussions about was there three shots or two. Additionally he explained through personal experience people who were wounded and were not immediately aware of it, and also over time JBC waivered in his belief of  separate shot.

Mr McCloy: "Frankly, I don't think he knew exactly when he was hit. I saw his recent testimony--at least somebody reported to me, perhaps indirectly, that he wasn't as certain now as when he first appeared before us--before our Commission when he said he was sure it wasn't the same shot which hit President Kennedy which hit him."

Sen Russell obviously believed there was a third shot----Prove there was third shot. A large number of eyewitnesses stated there was two shots or the second shot was the head shot. Either way that equals SBT.

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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2018, 03:48:08 PM »
Yeah, the first and third, according to his WC testimony
And the second shot he only felt (unless he punched himself in the back)

Other people heard 3 shots.

In addition:

Connally WC Testimony 1964

"We had just made the turn, well, when I heard what I thought was a shot. I heard this noise which I immediately took to be a rifle shot. I instinctively turned to my right because the sound appeared to come from over my right shoulder, so I turned to look back over my right shoulder,

The eyewitnesses state JFK reacted to being stuck by the first shot. You want to believe there was three shots-----prove it.

JBC's testimony (two shooters?) was struck by the first shot and then JBC was struck "almost simultaneously" by a second shot fired in less than the 2.3 seconds required to operate the carcano?

Explain the wound in JBC's back if the bullet does not first pass through JFK.





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Re: WC Member's Views Confirmed By HSCA
« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2018, 04:32:53 PM »
Have you seen the recreations in which the same model MC rifle with the same ammo is fired at the same angle/distance from Oswald's location?  It is a matter of physics.  Such a bullet fired from Oswald's distance using his rifle would easily pass through one body with sufficient force to cause the injuries to JC.  It is indisputable science.  It has been recreated many times.  It is not only possible but exactly what would happen.  Your baseless naysaying to the contrary is meaningless.

The same model? Why didn't they use CE 139? Without using the same rifle that LHO allegedly used these tests mean nothing.

CE 139 had a myriad of issues that would have prevented anyone from using it, thus, it wasn't used for any recreation.

The SBT is unsupported and impossible.

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Re: WC Member's Views Confirmed By HSCA
« Reply #27 on: December 04, 2018, 04:37:26 PM »
By doing what FMJ bullets are designed to do. You don't know the function of FMJ ammo, Rob? Or why they were so-designed in the first place?

And where did I say one unjacketed bullet could effect the wounds seen in Connally? Unjacketed bullets will disperse their energy when entering a body.

'One bullet missed and one hit Kennedy in the head'
>>> And one hit JFK in the back/neck

You have a conundrum then Bill as the head shot did NOT act like a FMJ bullet.

You can't show that one bullet could cause seven wounds in two men.