WC Member's Views Confirmed By HSCA

[Rob Caprio]

JBC said he cried out Oh no no no after he was struck by the bullet. Nellie said that was after the first shot and before a "second" shot. Jackie coroborates Nellie's statement by referencing JBC crying out Oh no no no after the first shot too. Nellie originally "did not know about a third shot."  Jackie dismissed the media accounts of three shots and stated there was only two.
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How did Sen Russell account for the wound in JBC's back with JFK in the way and also the fact that the carcano took 2.3 seconds to cycle?

McCloy asked the question where is the bullet that went through JFK if it did not strike JBC.
"I don't know where that bullet could have gone if it didn't go through Governor Connally."

McCloy explains the WC had discussions about was there three shots or two. Additionally he explained through personal experience people who were wounded and were not immediately aware of it, and also over time JBC waivered in his belief of  separate shot.

Mr McCloy: "Frankly, I don't think he knew exactly when he was hit. I saw his recent testimony--at least somebody reported to me, perhaps indirectly, that he wasn't as certain now as when he first appeared before us--before our Commission when he said he was sure it wasn't the same shot which hit President Kennedy which hit him."

Sen Russell obviously believed there was a third shot----Prove there was third shot. A large number of eyewitnesses stated there was two shots or the second shot was the head shot. Either way that equals SBT.

So you can't quote her saying that the same bullet hit both JFK and JBC. Got it.

[Paul May]

Richard Russell signed off on the Warren Report. Case closed.

[Jack Nessan]

So you can't quote her saying that the same bullet hit both JFK and JBC. Got it.

I did post the proof. The same as how we know JFK was hit, because of his reactions. You ask for proof but seem exceptionally weak when asked to provide it.

I am sure you do get it. Only two shots and the idea there was a conspiracy becomes very remote. All the posting and conspiracy analyzing was just a waste of time. It appears you can't handle being asked to prove your thread about Sen Russell and his belief there was three shots. All the posting about Sen Russell and his three shot scenario but when asked to prove there were three shots you come up missing. The WC and the HSCA both questioned the number of shots and the medias influence on the witnesses. The same WC which Sen Russell was a member.

[Bill Chapman]

You have a conundrum then Bill as the head shot did NOT act like a FMJ bullet.

You can't show that one bullet could cause seven wounds in two men.

I can't show anything except the research.

To wit:

A) The FMJ head shot hit the hard bone of the skull nose-first causing the bullet to release all its energy inside the head

B) The CE399 FMJ bullet hit no heavy bone nose-first, thus retaining enough energy/velocity to arrive in the left thigh in near-original condition (as intended by FMJ design)

[Bill Chapman]

I did post the proof. The same as how we know JFK was hit, because of his reactions. You ask for proof but seem exceptionally weak when asked to provide it.

I am sure you do get it. Only two shots and the idea there was a conspiracy becomes very remote. All the posting and conspiracy analyzing was just a waste of time. It appears you can't handle being asked to prove your thread about Sen Russell and his belief there was three shots. All the posting about Sen Russell and his three shot scenario but when asked to prove there were three shots you come up missing. The WC and the HSCA both questioned the number of shots and the medias influence on the witnesses. The same WC which Sen Russell was a member.

Um, three spent shells found in the SN

[Bill Chapman]

The same model? Why didn't they use CE 139? Without using the same rifle that LHO allegedly used these tests mean nothing.

CE 139 had a myriad of issues that would have prevented anyone from using it, thus, it wasn't used for any recreation.

The SBT is unsupported and impossible.

Pretty sure FBI testers and Frazier used the actual weapon. It would be folly to not do so. And what are 'issues' to you lot does not automatically translate into what a trained marine would consider to be same.

And given the nature of what FMJ ammo is designed to do and is capable of, you are ignoring that aspect and simply whistling in the dark.

[Andrew Mason]

The eyewitnesses state JFK reacted to being stuck by the first shot. You want to believe there was three shots-----prove it.

"Proof" of a fact is determined by the trier of fact - it is whatever evidence that is considered by the trier of fact to be sufficient to establish a fact. You obviously do not consider the abundant evidence of 3 shots to be sufficient to convince you that there were 3 shots.  Others do, including all the members of the WC, HSCA. You appear to think that all that evidence is somehow wrong.

JBC's testimony (two shooters?) was struck by the first shot and then JBC was struck "almost simultaneously" by a second shot fired in less than the 2.3 seconds required to operate the carcano?

JBC did not say he was struck almost simultaneously with a second shot. He said he heard the first shot, realized it was a rifle shot and turned around to try to see JFK but could not as he had moved. As he turned back to turn to his left he said he felt being struck forcefully in the back by another shot. He says that as he lay back onto his wife he heard a third shot and felt the spray of brain matter over him.  Even though he did not hear three shots, he observed three shots.

Explain the wound in JBC's back if the bullet does not first pass through JFK.

It is certainly possible that JBC's back wound was caused by a bullet that had not passed through JFK. In fact, one can make a reasonable case that in order for the bullet to have missed his right lung as it did, it had to have been travelling at a very small angle to the direction of the car - almost from directly behind.  That means it struck him when the car was farther down Elm when the angle to the SN was very small.