Chris Davidson's Zapruder film Re-enactment.

[Michael Walton]

And every time I post something that rebut's Davidson's illogical "67% of the frames were removed from the Z film" theory, he'll either throw up more math fractions and formulas.

** Answer my question, Chris **

It's a simple matter:



The photo above shows the view of the old guy when he sees the head shot and panics. You can clearly see his reaction when he realizes what has happened. His reaction takes place in the Muchmore film. Here's the key:

** In the Muchmore film, his line of site toward the limo is UPWARD toward Elm Street. **

Now look at the above. I've put his line of sight with red dots. But according to your logic, the shots took place where the blue dots are, which is why the evil geniuses - according to you - had to remove frames to bring the film up to Z313. There is *NO PROOF* or any testimony anywhere that says ANY of the witnesses heard or saw any shots down where that blue mark is on the above.

So if the final "flurry of shells" as the SS driver described it took place at the Z313, and if the old guy is looking upward toward Elm at that time, how in the world did the conspirators spin the old guy's body around in Muchmore so he's looking upward in the Muchmore film?

[Royell Storing]

And every time I post something that rebut's Davidson's illogical "67% of the frames were removed from the Z film" theory, he'll either throw up more math fractions and formulas.

** Answer my question, Chris **

It's a simple matter:



The photo above shows the view of the old guy when he sees the head shot and panics. You can clearly see his reaction when he realizes what has happened. His reaction takes place in the Muchmore film. Here's the key:

** In the Muchmore film, his line of site toward the limo is UPWARD toward Elm Street. **

Now look at the above. I've put his line of sight with red dots. But according to your logic, the shots took place where the blue dots are, which is why the evil geniuses - according to you - had to remove frames to bring the film up to Z313. There is *NO PROOF* or any testimony anywhere that says ANY of the witnesses heard or saw any shots down where that blue mark is on the above.

So if the final "flurry of shells" as the SS driver described it took place at the Z313, and if the old guy is looking upward toward Elm at that time, how in the world did the conspirators spin the old guy's body around in Muchmore so he's looking upward in the Muchmore film?

        (1) Which Man specifically are you referencing when you say, "Old Guy"?  All 3 guys on The Steps are almost directly facing Elm St. How would 1 of them possibly look "upward Toward Elm"? Do you mean looking Down Elm/East Toward Houston St?

[Chris Davidson]

And every time I post something that rebut's Davidson's illogical "67% of the frames were removed from the Z film" theory, he'll either throw up more math fractions and formulas.

** Answer my question, Chris **

It's a simple matter:



The photo above shows the view of the old guy when he sees the head shot and panics. You can clearly see his reaction when he realizes what has happened. His reaction takes place in the Muchmore film. Here's the key:

** In the Muchmore film, his line of site toward the limo is UPWARD toward Elm Street. **

Now look at the above. I've put his line of sight with red dots. But according to your logic, the shots took place where the blue dots are, which is why the evil geniuses - according to you - had to remove frames to bring the film up to Z313. There is *NO PROOF* or any testimony anywhere that says ANY of the witnesses heard or saw any shots down where that blue mark is on the above.

So if the final "flurry of shells" as the SS driver described it took place at the Z313, and if the old guy is looking upward toward Elm at that time, how in the world did the conspirators spin the old guy's body around in Muchmore so he's looking upward in the Muchmore film?

When you learn how to interpret the diorama along with the plat, then maybe you can figure out where the SS/FBI determined the last shot to be.
Until then, you just proved the SS/FBI last shot (which is not z313) scenario with your LOS "upward" toward Elm St comment.
btw, the red X is where Altgens is approx standing in the extant Zfilm.
He being the one that said he was how close to a headshot?

[Michael Walton]

I think you're very confused, Chris. First, your drawing remarkably almost matches mine. I'm assuming, though, that your red X is Altgens? If so, you're wrong about that, Chris. He was up much further than that. He's out of the frame in Muchmore because he was up further on Elm.

Second, Altgens marked himself on CE 354 exactly where he was and can be seen in the Z film. Any serious researcher of this case sees Altgens as he's standing in the exact same position he points himself out (#3) in CE354 as you see him in the Z film. This further negates where you *think* he was in your diagram.

Third, he said he heard no more shots after the head shot. This is accurate and is also accurate from other witnesses. The shots stopped after Z313.

Fourth, Altgens said he was "about 15 feet away" from the head shot, which is more or less about right. If you look at CE354 where he marked himself and then allow the car to move a little bit further down to when Z313 takes place, it's exactly in the same position as the diorama, the Muchmore film, the Z film, and the Nix film. Please don't hold it against Altens though, Chris, if his "15 feet away" quote would ever be inaccurate. It's just an estimate from someone who was where he said he was but didn't go back seconds after it was all over with a measuring tape to get the exact distance.

Fifth, as your blue X marks as well as mine shows, that blue X is roughly where Altgens said he pointed his camera toward and took his final photo showing Jackie up on top of the trunk (or climbing back in rather) with Hill up there too. With no witness at all reporting, including Altgens himself, that no other shots were ever fired this far down the street and all shots ending at Z313, it's impossible for more shots to have occurred like you think they did way down by the blue X.

Sixth, people make mistakes, Chris. All kinds of crazy reports were coming in minutes after the shooting took place. Witnesses have said some pretty goofy stuff in this case. Altgens was obviously where he said he was, but we shouldn't hold him down to being exactly and precisely "...15 feet away." And yes, there was a conspiracy in this case, but just because the FBI agents made a mistake in putting cars on a diorama too far down the street, then realizing their mistake and moving them up to the actual and correct position, doesn't mean something sinister took place.

Seventh, the FBI got it right the second time around with their diorama, Chris. The first time was a simple mistake that they corrected and was not corrected because of some nefarious reason, Chris. The proof is all of the films mentioned above match up perfectly where the final shots at Z313 take place. The old guy - looking upward and facing the Muchmore camera - reacts perfectly to these final shots that took place.

[Royell Storing]

I think you're very confused, Chris. First, your drawing remarkably almost matches mine. I'm assuming, though, that your red X is Altgens? If so, you're wrong about that, Chris. He was up much further than that. He's out of the frame in Muchmore because he was up further on Elm.

Second, Altgens marked himself on CE 354 exactly where he was and can be seen in the Z film. Any serious researcher of this case sees Altgens as he's standing in the exact same position he points himself out (#3) in CE354 as you see him in the Z film. This further negates where you *think* he was in your diagram.

Third, he said he heard no more shots after the head shot. This is accurate and is also accurate from other witnesses. The shots stopped after Z313.

Fourth, Altgens said he was "about 15 feet away" from the head shot, which is more or less about right. If you look at CE354 where he marked himself and then allow the car to move a little bit further down to when Z313 takes place, it's exactly in the same position as the diorama, the Muchmore film, the Z film, and the Nix film. Please don't hold it against Altens though, Chris, if his "15 feet away" quote would ever be inaccurate. It's just an estimate from someone who was where he said he was but didn't go back seconds after it was all over with a measuring tape to get the exact distance.

Fifth, as your blue X marks as well as mine shows, that blue X is roughly where Altgens said he pointed his camera toward and took his final photo showing Jackie up on top of the trunk (or climbing back in rather) with Hill up there too. With no witness at all reporting, including Altgens himself, that no other shots were ever fired this far down the street and all shots ending at Z313, it's impossible for more shots to have occurred like you think they did way down by the blue X.

Sixth, people make mistakes, Chris. All kinds of crazy reports were coming in minutes after the shooting took place. Witnesses have said some pretty goofy stuff in this case. Altgens was obviously where he said he was, but we shouldn't hold him down to being exactly and precisely "...15 feet away." And yes, there was a conspiracy in this case, but just because the FBI agents made a mistake in putting cars on a diorama too far down the street, then realizing their mistake and moving them up to the actual and correct position, doesn't mean something sinister took place.

Seventh, the FBI got it right the second time around with their diorama, Chris. The first time was a simple mistake that they corrected and was not corrected because of some nefarious reason, Chris. The proof is all of the films mentioned above match up perfectly where the final shots at Z313 take place. The old guy - looking upward and facing the Muchmore camera - reacts perfectly to these final shots that took place.

     When you say Altgens was "UP Much further than that", I assume you mean further East Up Elm toward Houston St.  I disagree with the You and the generally accepted physical position of Altgens due to where we see the Hargis Motorcycle Stopped on Elm after the assassination. Officer Hargis Stopped and got off his motorcycle after coasting several feet West on Elm St immediately following the Kill Shot. Altgens was standing to the West of the Hargis cycle/toward the Triple Underpass. I believe the Red X is generally correct based on the Bell Film clearly showing where on Elm the Hargis Motorcycle was Stopped. Altgens was standing West of that cycle. This Altgens position is also corroborated by the Couch Film. Couch shows Altgens walking East along the sidewalk approaching/passing the Newman Family as he heads Toward the light pole that Officer Hargis is simultaneously leaving. ( The Hargis motorcycle being Behind Altgens as he moves down the sidewalk). The Couch Film also gives us a general idea as to where on the South side of Elm that Altgens was standing.

[Chris Davidson]

I think you're very confused, Chris. First, your drawing remarkably almost matches mine. I'm assuming, though, that your red X is Altgens? If so, you're wrong about that, Chris. He was up much further than that. He's out of the frame in Muchmore because he was up further on Elm.

Second, Altgens marked himself on CE 354 exactly where he was and can be seen in the Z film. Any serious researcher of this case sees Altgens as he's standing in the exact same position he points himself out (#3) in CE354 as you see him in the Z film. This further negates where you *think* he was in your diagram.

Third, he said he heard no more shots after the head shot. This is accurate and is also accurate from other witnesses. The shots stopped after Z313.

Fourth, Altgens said he was "about 15 feet away" from the head shot, which is more or less about right. If you look at CE354 where he marked himself and then allow the car to move a little bit further down to when Z313 takes place, it's exactly in the same position as the diorama, the Muchmore film, the Z film, and the Nix film. Please don't hold it against Altens though, Chris, if his "15 feet away" quote would ever be inaccurate. It's just an estimate from someone who was where he said he was but didn't go back seconds after it was all over with a measuring tape to get the exact distance.

Fifth, as your blue X marks as well as mine shows, that blue X is roughly where Altgens said he pointed his camera toward and took his final photo showing Jackie up on top of the trunk (or climbing back in rather) with Hill up there too. With no witness at all reporting, including Altgens himself, that no other shots were ever fired this far down the street and all shots ending at Z313, it's impossible for more shots to have occurred like you think they did way down by the blue X.

Sixth, people make mistakes, Chris. All kinds of crazy reports were coming in minutes after the shooting took place. Witnesses have said some pretty goofy stuff in this case. Altgens was obviously where he said he was, but we shouldn't hold him down to being exactly and precisely "...15 feet away." And yes, there was a conspiracy in this case, but just because the FBI agents made a mistake in putting cars on a diorama too far down the street, then realizing their mistake and moving them up to the actual and correct position, doesn't mean something sinister took place.

Seventh, the FBI got it right the second time around with their diorama, Chris. The first time was a simple mistake that they corrected and was not corrected because of some nefarious reason, Chris. The proof is all of the films mentioned above match up perfectly where the final shots at Z313 take place. The old guy - looking upward and facing the Muchmore camera - reacts perfectly to these final shots that took place.

CE354 for orientation purposes.
I rest my case.

[Michael Walton]

OK, Chris, OK. I'm not going to keep quibbling with you over this. As I told you before there's no proof whatsoever that shots were fired after what we see in all of the films and the endpoint seen at Z313. The shots ended at that very point and all you have to do is read Altgens's testimony. He said he wasn't sure about a lot of things but he was definite on that.  And no one else has ever claimed any more shots were fired after Z313.

After you've posted literally thousands of posts on the other forum and now here about this dumb ass theory, I don't think you'd ever have it in you anyway to at least reconsider your ridiculous theory is nothing but a crock of BS. You're a laughingstock in this JFK case. Because you have some kind of ulterior motive - what in god's name it is I have no idea but it's probably that you don't trust or "hate" the government - that you simply have lost the ability of self-analysis and to see that not everything in the Kennedy case was a conspiracy.

But you keep right on plugging away, Chris, keep right on believing whatever it is you want to believe.