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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #232 on: June 24, 2022, 05:35:58 PM »
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"Naturally...Most" You just made that up.You must be world famous for making up the most extraneous lighting of gas ever.
The point still missed is why make such an immaterial notation on the calendar in the first place?
I don't have the foggiest clue and neither do you or does anyone else.

why make such an immaterial notation on the calendar in the first place?

Answer:.... Because Ruth Paine was an FBI informant and assigned to keep an eye on the Oswald's who Hoover believed were Russian communist spies.    Marina had complained to Ruth ( the only person she could talk to) about Lee spending money for a rifle.   This was something that Ruth thought the FBI should know, so when she got home she made the notation on her calendar to remind her to report this to the FBI on their next contact.


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Online Richard Smith

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #233 on: June 24, 2022, 06:06:38 PM »
why make such an immaterial notation on the calendar in the first place?

Answer:.... Because Ruth Paine was an FBI informant and assigned to keep an eye on the Oswald's who Hoover believed were Russian communist spies.    Marina had complained to Ruth ( the only person she could talk to) about Lee spending money for a rifle.   This was something that Ruth thought the FBI should know, so when she got home she made the notation on her calendar to remind her to report this to the FBI on their next contact.

So Oswald did buy a rifle in this timeframe?  And Marina and Ruth Paine can both confirm it!  Fantastic.  We don't need to argue with CTers about that anymore.  That basically cooks Oswald's goose since the only rifle that can be associated with him during that timeframe is the one found in the TSBD.  We also know that he lied to the DPD about owning any rifle.  Something he would only need to do if ownership of a rifle was incriminatory to him.   

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #234 on: June 24, 2022, 07:10:54 PM »
So Oswald did buy a rifle in this timeframe?  And Marina and Ruth Paine can both confirm it!  Fantastic.  We don't need to argue with CTers about that anymore.

“Richard” thinks that CTs all march in lockstep. He’s confusing them with the WC-cult.

Anybody who actually pays attention to these conversations rather than just regurgitating the same series of false claims over and over again knows that Walt considers the Carcano purchase legitimate.

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That basically cooks Oswald's goose since the only rifle that can be associated with him during that timeframe is the one found in the TSBD.

“Associated with him”. LOL.

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #235 on: June 24, 2022, 07:25:09 PM »
LOL, based on your ongoing rants there's no reason to believe you know what "logic" and "facts" mean.

No, it just takes a few seconds every time the claim appears in your confused rants. She can not confirm an otherwise unsupported claim.

You failed to quote the weakened part of her testimony stating the only specifics mentioned was the wooden part, allegedly, of what she took to be a rifle, surprise?

Plenty of non-CTers who don't, but nice try.

The wooden part of "it".  The rifle being the sole subject matter of the question that she is answering.  But, of course, you have dishonestly and incompletely quoted her testimony even on this point.  She referenced the "wooden stock" in her answer.  And what has a wooden stock?  Think real hard.  Maybe this helps:

"I was interested in finding out what was in that blanket, and I saw that it was a rifle." Marina Oswald.

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #236 on: June 24, 2022, 09:57:24 PM »
I doubt she ever saw a rifle not having wooden stock so mentioning that detail was entirely irrelevant.

The scope and home made sling was something different, which she chose NOT to mention.

What a surprise!

So because most rifles have a "wooden stock" you interpret Marina's confirmation that see saw a wooden stock to mean she saw something other than a rifle?  Wow.  That is head spinning tortured logic even from you.  What other types of objects with a wooden stock would be in a blanket?   Or just read what Marina said:

"I was interested in finding out what was in that blanket, and I saw that it was a rifle." Marina Oswald.


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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #237 on: June 24, 2022, 10:51:30 PM »
I doubt she ever saw a rifle not having wooden stock so mentioning that detail was entirely irrelevant.

The scope and home made sling was something different, which she chose NOT to mention.

What a surprise!

The scope and home made sling was something different,

It's commonly accepted that the sling was home made....  I believe it was custom sling that was made for Mussolini's elite body guards ( Guardie Del Duce ) who had to stand long hours on guard duty with the rifle on their shoulders. The wide patch on the sling kept the sling from pinching their shoulders.     

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #238 on: June 25, 2022, 04:18:22 PM »
We already know your head has been spinning for a decade or so.

No, what I said was that if rifles evidently have wooden stock there's no need to confirm the obvious.

Shotguns also have wooden stock so the detail she alleged to have seen does not confirm the presence of a rifle.

So Oswald owned a shotgun and kept it in the blanket?  That's your explanation.  LOL.  And your evidence of such is what?  For example, do you have pictures of him holding a shotgun?  Are his prints found on a shotgun?  Are there documents from some third party gun dealer that demonstrate that he ordered a shotgun and it was delivered to his PO Box?  This shotgun is not in the blanket on 11.22.  So what happened to it?  Keep spinning.

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Re: Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar
« Reply #239 on: June 26, 2022, 05:36:19 PM »
Who told you Oswald owned a shotgun???

That would be silly, see above.

Not my claim so why would you even ask such a question?

See above.

See above.

See above.

"This" -- LOL

Have your head checked.

Let us summarize.  Despite Marina using the word "rifle" multiple times in her testimony including saying that she once looked in the blanket and "saw a rifle" in one single instance she refers to the object as having a "wooden stock."  Which, of course, Oswald's rifle has.  CTers seize upon this one description (while even dishonestly implying that Marina said only that she saw something made of wood) to suggest there is doubt as to the object that she saw in blanket.  When asked what else could have been in the blanket that had a "wooden stock" Otto suggested a shotgun.  When asked for evidence that Oswald ever owned any shotgun in this timeframe, Otto indicates that he never suggested that Oswald owned a shotgun.  Thus eliminating it as an object that could have been in the blanket and making his input entirely pointless as usual.  Taking us back to square one.  So again, what object with a "wooden stock" did Marina see in the blanket if it was not the rifle?  And what happened to this object since it is gone on 11.22 when Marina directs the police to the blanket when asked if her husband owned a rifle?  Questions for which there will be many words but no answers.