Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar

[Walt Cakebread]

How was Marina coerced when she directed the police to the blanket expecting the rifle to be found there on Nov. 22 when they very first arrived?  She even indicated that she checked to see if the blanket was there BEFORE the police even arrived.  Good grief.  Oswald was apparently the only person in Dallas not involved in the conspiracy.

She even indicated that she checked to see if the blanket was there BEFORE the police even arrived.

Is it reasonable that Marina would merely look at the blanket on the floor?...    Considering the reason that she  allegedly went to the garage ( because she was alarmed that Lee might have been involved) wouldn't she logically have physically checked the blanket to see if the rifle was in the blanket ?  And then when the police asked her if Lee owned a rifle she would have answered "NO" he did not.....   BUT when Detective Rose asked Ruth Paine ( interpreting for Marina) if Lee owned a rifle she ( Marina understood the question and answered "Yes" , and indicated the the rifle was in the garage, and beckoned Rose to follow her to the garage...... Where they found no trace of a rifle.  ( nor was there any object in the rolled up blanket.)   

There are many questions raised by this episode .....  But the big question seems to be..... Why would Ruth Paine answer for Marina that Lee did not own a rifle when Marina clearly told her and Detective Rose that "YES" Lee did own a rifle?   Even Marina was taken aback by Ruth Paine's reply to detective Rose that "No" Lee didn't own a rifle when Marina had just stated that "YES" Lee did own a rifle.

[Richard Smith]

She even indicated that she checked to see if the blanket was there BEFORE the police even arrived.

Is it reasonable that Marina would merely look at the blanket on the floor?...    Considering the reason that she  allegedly went to the garage ( because she was alarmed that Lee might have been involved) wouldn't she logically have physically checked the blanket to see if the rifle was in the blanket ?  And then when the police asked her if Lee owned a rifle she would have answered "NO" he did not.....   BUT when Detective Rose asked Ruth Paine ( interpreting for Marina) if Lee owned a rifle she ( Marina understood the question and answered "Yes" , and indicated the the rifle was in the garage, and beckoned Rose to follow her to the garage...... Where they found no trace of a rifle.  ( nor was there any object in the rolled up blanket.)   

This is very tortured logic and contains a number of false premises.  Why would Marina bother to check for the blanket at all unless she believed that it contained Oswald's rifle?  There is no reason for her to do so after learing of the assassination unless she knew that Oswald kept his rifle in the blanket.  Your subjective opinion that she would have looked in the blanket is not relevant to that point.  The point is that Marina's actions confirmed that Oswald kept a rifle in the blanket. She was concerned he might be involved so checked to make sure that the blanket where she knew he kept the rifle was still there.  And because she checked for it both BEFORE the police came and directed them to it in the moments after they first arrived, her confirmation at that early point could not have been the result of any coercion as you falsely suggested.  Why would she have responded in the negative to the police regarding a question as to whether her husband owned a rifle even if she had checked the blanket and not found it?  They didn't ask her if the rifle was still in the blanket but whether he owned a rifle.  She knew that he had.  The police wouldn't have had a clue at that point as to where he kept it.  That is why they were asking in the first place.

[John Iacoletti]

The point is that Marina's actions confirmed that Oswald kept a rifle in the blanket.

Bull.  It merely shows that Marina assumed he kept a rifle in the blanket.

[Walt Cakebread]

Bull.  It merely shows that Marina assumed he kept a rifle in the blanket.

I believe at some point Marina had seen Lee wrapping a rifle in a blanket..... What rifle?....And where did it occur ??

And whose rifle was it???    I've long wondered if the .22 caliber rifle that Lee's brother had kept for him, was the rifle that Marina had seen Lee wrapping in a blanket??    There simply isn't any evidence that the TSBD carcano (C2766) was ever  wrapped in that blanket.   The FBI did not find a single blanket fiber adhering to that carcano, and i find that utterly incredible .....If that carcano had been wrapped in that blanket.

[Walt Cakebread]

This is very tortured logic and contains a number of false premises.  Why would Marina bother to check for the blanket at all unless she believed that it contained Oswald's rifle?  There is no reason for her to do so after learing of the assassination unless she knew that Oswald kept his rifle in the blanket.  Your subjective opinion that she would have looked in the blanket is not relevant to that point.  The point is that Marina's actions confirmed that Oswald kept a rifle in the blanket. She was concerned he might be involved so checked to make sure that the blanket where she knew he kept the rifle was still there.  And because she checked for it both BEFORE the police came and directed them to it in the moments after they first arrived, her confirmation at that early point could not have been the result of any coercion as you falsely suggested.  Why would she have responded in the negative to the police regarding a question as to whether her husband owned a rifle even if she had checked the blanket and not found it?  They didn't ask her if the rifle was still in the blanket but whether he owned a rifle.  She knew that he had.  The police wouldn't have had a clue at that point as to where he kept it.  That is why they were asking in the first place.

Your subjective opinion that she would have looked in the blanket is not relevant to that point.

So based on your logic ....  Just the sight of the blanket would have been enough to allay her concern? 

Only Marina knows if you're right...... And  Only Marina knows the truth about the rifle on the garage ....   

[Richard Smith]

Your subjective opinion that she would have looked in the blanket is not relevant to that point.

So based on your logic ....  Just the sight of the blanket would have been enough to allay her concern? 

It doesn't make any difference.  Again, the point being that Marina would have no cause to check for the blanket unless she knew that Oswald kept his rifle there.  She checked for the blanket after learning that someone had fired the shots from the building that her husband worked in.  She was concerned he was involved in the shooting not that he was cold and needed a blanket.  Some CTers have falsely suggested that Marina's WC testimony is ambiguous on whether Oswald kept a rifle in the Paine's garage.  It is, however, crystal clear from Marina's testimony and actions that she had seen a rifle in that blanket in the Paine's garage and believed it would be found there on 11.22.  The fact that she held this belief on 11.22 when first asked by the police about the rifle confirms that she could not have been subject to any coercion on that point since the sinister conspirators would have had no time to get to her as yet.   So that fantasy explanation goes out the window as well. 

[John Iacoletti]

I believe at some point Marina had seen Lee wrapping a rifle in a blanket..... What rifle?....And where did it occur ??

Is this another thing she told you personally?

There simply isn't any evidence that the TSBD carcano (C2766) was ever  wrapped in that blanket.   

Agreed. But “Richard” laughably believes that since Marina thought a rifle was in that blanket in late September, that somehow proves that C2766 was in the blanket on November 21.

Which is why we laugh at “Richard”.