Roger Craig

[Dan O'meara]

In your opinion should the clip have fallen out after the third shot if the Carcano was being used in a normal firing position?

I'd bet my life on it....and since the official tale says that the last round was in the firing chamber then the clip should have been on the floor beneath the window along with the spent shells....   The FACT that the clip was in the rifle when Day picked the rifle up can only mean that the clip was placed in the ejection port when the rifle was carefully laid on the floor before the boxes of books were stacked around and over it.

I've not come across anyone who has pointed that out (not that I've got much knowledge about this particular issue) and it seems to me this is something that should constitute a very serious argument against the Carcano being used for the shooting.
Why isn't the clip on the floor with the shells?
Why didn't it fall out as the assassin carried the rifle across the 6th floor?
Why didn't the clip fall out when the rifle was placed in an upright position with the E-port facing downward?
Why didn't it just fall out when Day picked it up?

Because the Carcano was already tucked away while the assassin used a proper rifle perhaps?

[Walt Cakebread]

I've not come across anyone who has pointed that out (not that I've got much knowledge about this particular issue) and it seems to me this is something that should constitute a very serious argument against the Carcano being used for the shooting.
Why isn't the clip on the floor with the shells?
Why didn't it fall out as the assassin carried the rifle across the 6th floor?
Why didn't the clip fall out when the rifle was placed in an upright position with the E-port facing downward?
Why didn't it just fall out when Day picked it up?

Because the Carcano was already tucked away while the assassin used a proper rifle perhaps?

Why isn't the clip on the floor with the shells?
Why didn't it fall out as the assassin carried the rifle across the 6th floor?

Dan...The liars on LBJ's cover up committee DID address the issue ....

They said the clip was deformed and therefore it was binding in the E port and couldn't fall out.....

The photos that you have posted proves that the clip was NOT deformed and it was in fact free to fall out of the rifle...( the photos show that the clip is falling out)

Why didn't the clip fall out when the rifle was placed in an upright position with the E-port facing downward?

The E port was NOT downward when the rifle was found..the rifle was lying on it's right side.....However the E Port is down in the fake in stu photo.

Why didn't it just fall out when Day picked it up?

Because the rifle was on it's side and Day grasped the leather sling near the butt which caused the rifle to assume the muzzle down position and the E port was horizontal ( not vertical) and therefore the clip remained in the rifle.

Because the Carcano was already tucked away while the assassin used a proper rifle perhaps

That seems to be a very rational conclusion.

[Walt Cakebread]

I've not come across anyone who has pointed that out (not that I've got much knowledge about this particular issue) and it seems to me this is something that should constitute a very serious argument against the Carcano being used for the shooting.
Why isn't the clip on the floor with the shells?
Why didn't it fall out as the assassin carried the rifle across the 6th floor?
Why didn't the clip fall out when the rifle was placed in an upright position with the E-port facing downward?
Why didn't it just fall out when Day picked it up?

Because the Carcano was already tucked away while the assassin used a proper rifle perhaps?

Because the Carcano was already tucked away while the assassin used a proper rifle perhaps

while the assassins  used  proper rifles perhaps  and none of them were firing from the sixth floor....

[Dan O'meara]

Why isn't the clip on the floor with the shells?
Why didn't it fall out as the assassin carried the rifle across the 6th floor?

Dan...The liars on LBJ's cover up committee DID address the issue ....

They said the clip was deformed and therefore it was binding in the E port and couldn't fall out.....

The photos that you have posted proves that the clip was NOT deformed and it was in fact free to fall out of the rifle...( the photos show that the clip is falling out)

Why didn't the clip fall out when the rifle was placed in an upright position with the E-port facing downward?

The E port was NOT downward when the rifle was found..the rifle was lying on it's right side.....However the E Port is down in the fake in stu photo.

Why didn't it just fall out when Day picked it up?

Because the rifle was on it's side and Day grasped the leather sling near the butt which caused the rifle to assume the muzzle down position and the E port was horizontal ( not vertical) and therefore the clip remained in the rifle.

Because the Carcano was already tucked away while the assassin used a proper rifle perhaps

That seems to be a very rational conclusion.

"The E port was NOT downward when the rifle was found..the rifle was lying on it's right side.....However the E Port is down in the fake in stu photo."

The picture of the rifle you are calling fake is CE 514. This was shown to Boone during his WC testimony and he confirmed that was exactly how the rifle was when he found it.
I'm wondering whether CE 514 was just a close-up portion of CE 517:



This appears to be the same pic but taken from further away. In it we can see, what I presume is Day's knee as he takes the photo.

Craig is also adamant the Day pics were taken before the rifle was moved

Mr. BELIN - The weapon was moved by the time the pictures were taken?
Mr. CRAIG - No; no. The pictures were taken as the weapon was found lying here.

I think you may be wrong about the rifle being found lying on its side.

[Walt Cakebread]

"The E port was NOT downward when the rifle was found..the rifle was lying on it's right side.....However the E Port is down in the fake in stu photo."

The picture of the rifle you are calling fake is CE 514. This was shown to Boone during his WC testimony and he confirmed that was exactly how the rifle was when he found it.
I'm wondering whether CE 514 was just a close-up portion of CE 517:



This appears to be the same pic but taken from further away. In it we can see, what I presume is Day's knee as he takes the photo.

Craig is also adamant the Day pics were taken before the rifle was moved

Mr. BELIN - The weapon was moved by the time the pictures were taken?
Mr. CRAIG - No; no. The pictures were taken as the weapon was found lying here.

I think you may be wrong about the rifle being found lying on its side.

"The E port was NOT downward when the rifle was found..the rifle was lying on it's right side.....However the E Port is down in the fake in stu photo."

The picture of the rifle you are calling fake is CE 514. This was shown to Boone during his WC testimony and he confirmed that was exactly how the rifle was when he found it.
I'm wondering whether CE 514 was just a close-up portion of CE 517:





This appears to be the same pic but taken from further away. In it we can see, what I presume is Day's knee as he takes the photo.

Craig is also adamant the Day pics were taken before the rifle was moved

Mr. BELIN - The weapon was moved by the time the pictures were taken?
Mr. CRAIG - No; no. The pictures were taken as the weapon was found lying here.

I think you may be wrong about the rifle being found lying on its side.

This appears to be the same pic but taken from further away. In it we can see, what I presume is Day's knee as he takes the photo.

Ok, but please explain how Studebaker got his leg into the photo when the first photo  ( the fake) shows a stack of boxes where Studebaker's knee appears. 

I think you may be wrong about the rifle being found lying on its side.

If you've never seen a better copy of Alyea's film clip ....I can understand your doubt....  The but of the rifle is seen in better copies of Alyea's film... The rifle is lying on it's side.

[Dan O'meara]

This appears to be the same pic but taken from further away. In it we can see, what I presume is Day's knee as he takes the photo.

Ok, but please explain how Studebaker got his leg into the photo when the first photo  ( the fake) shows a stack of boxes where Studebaker's knee appears. 

Hadn't spotted that.
After checking Day's WC testimony he states that he took the photo of the rifle we've been studying and Studebaker took the one with the knee in it.

I think you may be wrong about the rifle being found lying on its side.

If you've never seen a better copy of Alyea's film clip ....I can understand your doubt....  The but of the rifle is seen in better copies of Alyea's film... The rifle is lying on it's side.

Day himself states the rifle was in an upright position:

"Mr. BELIN. Do you have any estimate as to how wide or what the width was of that particular area in which the rifle was placed? In other words, the area between the boxes, how much space was there?
Mr. DAY. It was just wide enough to accommodate that rifle and hold it in an upright position."

However, the Alyea film certainly seems to show that when Day picks it up the rifle is on its side.

[Walt Cakebread]

Hadn't spotted that.
After checking Day's WC testimony he states that he took the photo of the rifle we've been studying and Studebaker took the one with the knee in it.

Day himself states the rifle was in an upright position:

"Mr. BELIN. Do you have any estimate as to how wide or what the width was of that particular area in which the rifle was placed? In other words, the area between the boxes, how much space was there?
Mr. DAY. It was just wide enough to accommodate that rifle and hold it in an upright position."

However, the Alyea film certainly seems to show that when Day picks it up the rifle is on its side.
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After checking Day's WC testimony he states that he took the photo of the rifle we've been studying and Studebaker took the one with the knee in it.

I thought we agreed that both photo's are the same photo ....except one of them has Studebaker's knee in it....   

Are you now contending that they are two different photos....and everything just happens too appear to be identical except for the lower right hand corner?