Roger Craig

[Walt Cakebread]

This is from a clip of Day dusting the Carcano.
Am I right to say the clip is not in the rifle:

Am I right to say the clip is not in the rifle:



Only you can determine that, Dan.  But can you explain what that light colored slice of "something" in the ejection port is ?

[Walt Cakebread]

You've probably seen this before but the bit at the end where everyone is reporting a Mauser is interesting.

You've probably seen this before

Yes I have, and this is a poor copy of the Alyea film....

[Dan O'meara]

Am I right to say the clip is not in the rifle:



Only you can determine that, Dan.  But can you explain what that light colored slice of "something" in the ejection port is ?

"Only you can determine that, Dan."

Unlike you Walt, I don't own any Carcanos so it would be nice to get the opinion of someone in the know rather than a cryptic remark. I'll try it differently:

Is the clip such a different colour that it appears as a dark rectangle when in place?
Or does the dark rectangle (where I assume the clip goes) mean the clip is not in?
Does the Carcano eject the clip after it empties?
Your expert opinion is being sought.

[Walt Cakebread]

"Only you can determine that, Dan."

Unlike you Walt, I don't own any Carcanos so it would be nice to get the opinion of someone in the know rather than a cryptic remark. I'll try it differently:

Is the clip such a different colour that it appears as a dark rectangle when in place?
Or does the dark rectangle (where I assume the clip goes) mean the clip is not in?
Does the Carcano eject the clip after it empties?

Is the clip such a different colour that it appears as a dark rectangle when in place?

No,   The clip was made from yellow colored brass....

Or does the dark rectangle (where I assume the clip goes) mean the clip is not in?

The dark rectangle is the dark "hole" of the ejection port ..... The light color on the edge of the E port is the brass clip.

Does the Carcano eject the clip after it empties?

Yes... But "eject" is a misnomer....  The clip merely falls out of the ejection port by the force of gravity. The clip is NOT ejected by any mechanical mechanism .   If the rifle is positioned in any position other than the normal firing position of the magazine on the bottom of the rifle then the clip cannot drop away out of the E port.

[Dan O'meara]

Is the clip such a different colour that it appears as a dark rectangle when in place?

No,   The clip was made from yellow colored brass....

Or does the dark rectangle (where I assume the clip goes) mean the clip is not in?

The dark rectangle is the dark "hole" of the ejection port ..... The light color on the edge of the E port is the brass clip.

Does the Carcano eject the clip after it empties?

Yes... But "eject" is a misnomer....  The clip merely falls out of the ejection port by the force of gravity.  If the rifle is positioned in any position other than the normal firing position of the magazine on the bottom of the rifle ten the clip cannot drop away out of the Eport.
Your expert opinion is being sought.

I get it. The clip loads from the top and falls out of the ejection port.

In your opinion should the clip have fallen out after the third shot if the Carcano was being used in a normal firing position?

When Day is carrying it around what's stopping the clip from just falling out?

[Walt Cakebread]

I get it. The clip loads from the top and falls out of the ejection port.

In your opinion should the clip have fallen out after the third shot if the Carcano was being used in a normal firing position?

When Day is carrying it around what's stopping the clip from just falling out?

The clip loads from the top and falls out of the ejection port.

Yes.... when the clip has live cartridges in it.... It MUST be loaded from the top with the bolt retracted.....It is pushed down against a spring loaded elevator that pushes the live cartridges up as the spent cartridges are ejected.  When the last round in the clip is chambered the clip simply falls out of the E port.

In your opinion should the clip have fallen out after the third shot if the Carcano was being used in a normal firing position?

I'd bet my life on it....there is a .0001 percent chance that the clip might not drop out after the last cartridge is chambered...

IOW..there is a very slim possibility that something like a dirty clip might prevent the clip from dropping out.

When Day is carrying it around what's stopping the clip from just falling out?[/b]

Nothing....Is preventing it from falling out ...the photos show that it is falling out.... albeit at a very slow pace....  And that's because the E port was never in the down position long enough to allow the clip to fall free. 

[Walt Cakebread]

I get it. The clip loads from the top and falls out of the ejection port.

In your opinion should the clip have fallen out after the third shot if the Carcano was being used in a normal firing position?

When Day is carrying it around what's stopping the clip from just falling out?

In your opinion should the clip have fallen out after the third shot if the Carcano was being used in a normal firing position?

I'd bet my life on it....and since the official tale says that the last round was in the firing chamber then the clip should have been on the floor beneath the window along with the spent shells....   The FACT that the clip was in the rifle when Day picked the rifle up can only mean that the clip was placed in the ejection port when the rifle was carefully laid on the floor before the boxes of books were stacked around and over it.