Roger Craig

[Walt Cakebread]

What does that have to do with anything? Of course Craig would make an issue about an important discovery. You happen not to agree with that portion of his testimony, so you call him mentally ill to discredit him. 

Craig was right about the rifle on the floor just like he perfectly described in exact detail of the stamped 7.65 Mauser he witnessed and was right about that as well.   

Weitzman confirmed it was a Mauser when he picked it up. He identified the weapon. Weitzman was a pretty much a weapons expert and he even wrote in his report that a Mauser was located at the scene. So, we have two men that saw a Mauser and Craig never changed his testimony with what he witnessed, but yet you call him a liar and mentally ill. So, are you going with the theory that the Mauser was misidentified for a Manlicher-Carcano even though Weitzman was a weapons expert and wrote a report about a Mauser? 

So basically, you like to pick and choose which piece of Roger Criag's testimony you like and then you call him mentally ill for which piece doesn't fit your narrative.   

Walt, you can't call a man mentally ill discounting what says and then agree with him for the rest of what he says. It doesn't work that way.

Rick...I truly appreciate your response.....  Like a pick up game of basketball....the game is much more interesting if there is an opponent.

 "You happen not to agree with that portion of his testimony, so you call him mentally ill to discredit him."

I'm sure that Craig was embellishing the story that he had heard from Weitzman....  Weitzman had in fact seen and examined a 7.65 Mauser and described that mauser for the FBI agent ( we can only speculate WHY Fritz wanted Weitzman to examine and describe a 7.65 mauser for the FBI)

So Craig was lying about that aspect....  But when he testified before the Warren Commission he said NOTHING about having seen "7.65 mauser stamped right there on the barrel" That came many years later.    However, Craig DID tell the Warren Commission that he saw the rifle at the bottom of a chasm of boxes.   Craig described that chasm as being enclosed on four sides and about five feet deep.  The in situ photo which allegedly was taken before anything was moved does NOT show a rifle lying on the floor at the bottom of a chasm.

[Walt Cakebread]

What does that have to do with anything? Of course Craig would make an issue about an important discovery. You happen not to agree with that portion of his testimony, so you call him mentally ill to discredit him. 

Craig was right about the rifle on the floor just like he perfectly described in exact detail of the stamped 7.65 Mauser he witnessed and was right about that as well.   

Weitzman confirmed it was a Mauser when he picked it up. He identified the weapon. Weitzman was a pretty much a weapons expert and he even wrote in his report that a Mauser was located at the scene. So, we have two men that saw a Mauser and Craig never changed his testimony with what he witnessed, but yet you call him a liar and mentally ill. So, are you going with the theory that the Mauser was misidentified for a Manlicher-Carcano even though Weitzman was a weapons expert and wrote a report about a Mauser? 

So basically, you like to pick and choose which piece of Roger Criag's testimony you like and then you call him mentally ill for which piece doesn't fit your narrative.   

Walt, you can't call a man mentally ill discounting what says and then agree with him for the rest of what he says. It doesn't work that way.

"Weitzman confirmed it was a Mauser when he picked it up. He identified the weapon. Weitzman was a pretty much a weapons expert and he even wrote in his report that a Mauser was located at the scene. So, we have two men that saw a Mauser and Craig never changed his testimony with what he witnessed, but yet you call him a liar and mentally ill. So, are you going with the theory that the Mauser was misidentified for a Manlicher-Carcano even though Weitzman was a weapons expert and wrote a report about a Mauser?"

Weitzman confirmed it was a Mauser when he picked it up---  Weitzman nor anybody else picked up the rifle, until Lt Day picked it up.   

 He identified the weapon.--- Weitzman ventured a guess that it was a mauser....He couldn't see much of the rifle at the bottom of the dark chasm.

Weitzman was a pretty much a weapons expert --- No Seymour Weitzman was not a weapons expert

 he even wrote in his report that a Mauser was located at the scene.  Please post that report.

[Walt Cakebread]

You forced me to have another look at the rifle photo and I tried to figure out where the light source was coming from that would cast shadows like that. This had to be a flash bulb held in an extended right hand like the old days so the flash wouldn't interfere with the shot. The problem is we are dealing with low quality digital imagery which has no provenance. But there are a few things re the image itself that seem odd to me.

The boxes look arranged to create cover for the ditched MC. Otherwise, Oswald would have had to slide the MC in from the left into the cavern. So it is more likely Oswald laid down the rifle upright on the floor and leaned it against the box in the middle and pulled the other 2 boxes over to somewhat cover the MC. If this was the case, then the DPD must have found Oswald's prints on those boxes, right? Did they find any? Also, you don't damage your scope and put it grossly out of alignment by easing it down and leaning it against some boxes.

All the shadows made sense except for one, providing it is a shadow. When the MC is upright on the floor, there is a big gap where the buttend touches the floor and the stock disappears behind the box. In the photo the whole stock looks dark and it does not show any gap. Therefore the gap must be in shadow so we can't see it. However, I tried to brighten the stock up to resolve the gap but I just got artifacts due to the shitty quality of the image. At any rate, if that is not a shadow under the stock then is it an MC stock? If it is a shadow then why is it in the front between the stock and the camera? Or is it just an optical illusion?

I hope the following image displays (it doesn't for me).



The only one who can put this one to bed is you Walt. If you actually have the same model MC that was found at the TSBD then you can create a reenactment of this photo and either confirm or refute that this was an authentic photo of a MC. Reenactments are the only method for a layman to analyse photos. They are deadly accurate and they don't lie.

The boxes look arranged to create cover for the ditched MC. Otherwise, Oswald would have had to slide the MC in from the left into the cavern. So it is more likely Oswald laid down the rifle upright on the floor and leaned it against the box in the middle and pulled the other 2 boxes over to somewhat cover the MC.


Oswald Did nothing in placing this rifle in place....  It was placed there by the DPD when they created the fake in situ photo.

However....IF Lee had placed the rifle as it is shown he "would have had to  slide the MC in from the left into the cavern. So it is more likely Oswald laid down the rifle upright on the floor and leaned it against the box in the middle and pulled the other 2 boxes over to somewhat cover the MC."

How much time would you estimate would have been needed to accomplish the act described ?....     More than one second?

Remember that according to the WC Lee arrived in the 2nd floor lunchroom just one second before Baker arrived at the top of the stairs.

[Zeon Mason]

I may be mistaken, but I don’t think that and gunpowder residue was found in the grooves of the rifled barrel of the MC rifle or in the breech.

So if I’m correct, add this to Walts observation that apparently no one mentioned and smell of gunpowder when examining the alleged recently fired approx 50 min earlier rifle.

[Walt Cakebread]

I may be mistaken, but I don’t think that and gunpowder residue was found in the grooves of the rifled barrel of the MC rifle or in the breech.

So if I’m correct, add this to Walts observation that apparently no one mentioned and smell of gunpowder when examining the alleged recently fired approx 50 min earlier rifle.

Thank you for placing a little icing on the cake Mr Mason.  And you're quite right ...If that rifle had been fired less than an hour prior to the discovery, that chasm where Boone and Weitzman discovered the rifle, would have reeked of the smell of gunpowder.

[Rick Plant]

Weitzman confirmed it was a Mauser when he picked it up---  Weitzman nor anybody else picked up the rifle, until Lt Day picked it up.

Lt. Day and Captain Fritz both handled the rifle. Fritz was holding it when Weitzman identified it as a Mauser.       

 

He identified the weapon.--- Weitzman ventured a guess that it was a mauser....He couldn't see much of the rifle at the bottom of the dark chasm.

So, you're supporting the Warren Commission findings. Weitzman saw a lot of the rifle. He identified the rifle when Fritz was holding the rifle.

Weitzman was a pretty much a weapons expert --- No Seymour Weitzman was not a weapons expert

Weitzman previously ran a sporting goods store and he knew weapons which is why he knew it was a Mauser until he changed it to a Manlicher-Carcano. What kind of a store owner doesn't know the merchandise he's selling?   

[Rick Plant]

Rick...I truly appreciate your response.....  Like a pick up game of basketball....the game is much more interesting if there is an opponent.

 "You happen not to agree with that portion of his testimony, so you call him mentally ill to discredit him."

I'm sure that Craig was embellishing the story that he had heard from Weitzman....  Weitzman had in fact seen and examined a 7.65 Mauser and described that mauser for the FBI agent ( we can only speculate WHY Fritz wanted Weitzman to examine and describe a 7.65 mauser for the FBI)

So Craig was lying about that aspect....  But when he testified before the Warren Commission he said NOTHING about having seen "7.65 mauser stamped right there on the barrel" That came many years later. However, Craig DID tell the Warren Commission that he saw the rifle at the bottom of a chasm of boxes. Craig described that chasm as being enclosed on four sides and about five feet deep.  The in situ photo which allegedly was taken before anything was moved does NOT show a rifle lying on the floor at the bottom of a chasm.

 

Walt, if you're going to be like Doyle by making up nonsene to fit your narrative then I'm out. It serves no purpose to have a discussion because the goal posts keep moving and only new fabrications keep being presented.

Craig was right there next to Weitzman when he identified the weapon as a Mauser. That is witness testimony.

We don't have to speculate anything. Weitzman identified the rifle as a Mauser after Fritz asked if anybody knew what type it was. Since Weitzman knew weapons he was able to make a positive identification of the Mauser until he changed his story.

So what? Just because Craig did not state that before the commission doesn't mean he is lying or "mentally ill" as you claim. His testimony is consistent with what Weitzman originally stated until he changed his testimony.