Did Hickey fire the fatal shot?

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Online Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: Did Hickey fire the fatal shot?
« Reply #84 on: September 17, 2021, 04:08:23 AM »
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Here is a giff of Queen Mary in my 19 Bronson frames.
Z313 is at about B04 (it aint at the usually trumpeted B09).
These are from Robin Unger's 2017 copies.
The Sixth Floor Museum wont make the superior 2019 frames public.


After the 19 Bronson frames we get Queen Mary in my 37 Nix frames (starting with N34 ending with N70). I dont know how much time there is tween B19 & N34.


Here is Robin Unger's Muchmore giff.
It fits somewhere tween the Bronson giff & the Nix giff. I dont know exactly where.
It doesnt show much of Queen Mary & it shows zero of Ready & Co, but it does show driver Kinney looking hard right.


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Re: Did Hickey fire the fatal shot?
« Reply #85 on: September 17, 2021, 04:13:25 AM »
FROM MY EARLIER BRONSON THREAD.
I noticed something new today.  The Muchmore film is shown in the first 31 frames of the 120 frames in the Muchmore folder in Robin Unger's gallery on this website.  From frame M001 to M028 u can see the hood of Queen Mary.  At frames M029 M030 M031 u can see the driver Kinney.  He is starting to look to his right, & at frame M031 he has turned right as far as is possible without turning his body.  Unfortunately frame M031 is the last.   

What does the Nix film show?  Unfortunately frame M031 corresponds to i think Nix frame N232, & the lady with the tan coat blocks our view of Hickey in frames N231 N232 N233, & partly blocks Kinney in frames N230 N234.  But we can see that in earlier Nix frames & in later Nix frames Kinney is looking directly ahead towards the JFK limo.  The fatal shot is i think at N209, ie 23 Nix frames before Kinney's head turn at N232, ie a little over 1 second.

So, Kinney, who is keeping Queen Mary 6 ft behind the JFK limo, finds an urgent need to have a quick look to his right or rear.  Why?  Was it because Agent Ready has jumped off the running board & Agent Roberts is telling Ready to come back?  I don’t think so.  Kinney could see all of that action by just half turning to his right.  And Ready's jumping & unjumping is surely not as critical as the need to avoid squashing Agent Hill tween Queen Mary & the JFK limo.

Did Kinney turn his head hard right to get a look at Agent Landis jumping off the running board?  Landis did jump off, however i have never seen it mentioned.  Landis was standing next to the jump seats.  No, i don’t think that that was the reason.

Did Kinney turn his head hard right because Agent Hickey had fired his AR15 past Kinney's right earhole at frame M009 N209 B09 Z313?
Yes, the AR15 firing a shot (i reckon 3 shots)[today i reckon 4 or 5 or 6 shots](an auto burst) past Kinney's right earhole would surely do the trick.  Kinney's head turn was probably a voluntary action, rather than non-voluntary, say 1 second after the shot,  but nonetheless it was fairly automatic & non-avoidable i reckon. 

What does the Bronson film tell us about Kinney's head turn?  Unfortunately the Bronson frames B01 to B20 stop at about Nix  N226, ie 6 Nix frames short of seeing Kinney's head turn at N232.  Bronson was standing on a pedestal, ie higher than Nix, hence the lady in the tan coat would not i think have blocked Bronson's view of Kinney's head.  The fatal shot was at B09 or a fraction earlier i think. 

U might remember that some days ago i mentioned the earlier head turn reaction by McIntyre (standing on the rear of the left running board).  He can be seen looking right in Bronson B04 to B09, ie towards Hickey, & we can assume that he is looking at Hickey because he has seen that Hickey has picked up the AR15.  The fatal shot is at about B09.  However unfortunately McIntyre is out of frame in the Muchmore film, hence the Muchmore film can't be used to confirm McIntyre's head turn. 
And McIntyre is out of frame in most of the Nix film.  He is only partly vizible in Nix frames N239 to N248 (we can see his head & the front half of his body).  In thems frames he is looking directly ahead.  Kinney turned his head 7 frames earlier at N232.  The fatal shot was at say N209.

Here is Muchmore M031 of 120, showing Kinney looking right.   And below that we see Nix N233 of 652 showing the lady blocking our view.
In N233 u can see under Queen Mary that Ready & Landis are both standing on the road [edit-- they were not on the road, it was their shadow].



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Re: Did Hickey fire the fatal shot?
« Reply #86 on: September 17, 2021, 04:32:16 AM »
HERE IS WHAT I WROTE IN MY EARLIER BRONSON THREAD.
NOTE McINTYRE'S REACTIONS.

Details of the motorcade can be found in --Presidential Motorcade Schematic Listing – by Todd Wayne Vaughn.
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/M%20Disk/Motorcade%20Route/Item%2015.pdf

We are lucky to have B04 to B18 (B01 to B20 actually).
This is the only footage-photo of what happened in & around Queen Mary at the time of Z313.  All others focused on the JFK limo & incidentally got a small chunk of Queen Mary.  Here is what i see in B04 to B18 ( i later included B01 B02 B03 B19 B20) .............

(1) Kinney (driver).   Can be seen relatively well.  Is looking ahead throughout.
(2) Roberts (sitting next to Kinney).  Hidden by Kinney. We can see the top of his head at times. Reactions not vizible.
(3) O'Donnell (sitting in left jump seat).  Hidden by McIntyre.
(4) Powers (sitting in right jump seat).  Hidden by McIntyre & O'Donnell.

(5) Hickey (semi-standing in left of rear seat).  I will give a detailed description of Hickey's actions later.  We can usually see 2 blurry dark shapes in the rear seat, with blurry mainly dark heads.  Its impossible to tell which is Hickey & which is Bennett.  In some frames the 2 shapes & heads are smudged into oblivion.  In some frames (especially near Z313) 3 spectators standing on the south side of Elm St block our view of Hickey & Bennett (& our view of the others).  The 15 extant frames are jumpy, because they should be 22 frames (7 frames have been skipped by the 3rd rate camera, or are missing).   Our pseudo-footage would play much better & tell us more if we had the benefit of thems extra 7 frames.  After a long time i realized that one reason that its difficult to see what is what & who is who is that Hickey is looking to his right in some frames, & we see the dark back of his blurry head.  This escaped me.  I could see the nice pink sides of Agent's faces fairly clearly in lots of frames, but not so for Hickey & Bennett.  Bennett shows a little bit of pink much of the time (actually its not even pink, its just a small weak pale smudge of a face-patch).  Hickey shows merely a hint of face-patch in a half of the frames, because we see the back of his head mostly.  He has turned his head (to his right), & possibly his body (in which case we can see his back).  More about Hickey later.

(6) Bennett (sitting in the right of the rear seat).  It is fairly certain that Bennett is the one sitting leaning forward (praps he likes to keep his hand on the door-handle), whereas Hickey is in the left seat & is higher & leaning back sitting up on some cases placed on the seat for that purpose.  Bennett's head is much lower than Hickey's head.  Bennett is looking rightish, possibly scanning for long range threats i reckon (eg the picket fence).  If he were looking straight ahead then the sides of his faces should look large & pink like others, but his face-patches look narrow & weak koz we can see the back of his head mostly (but its difficult to tell, being so blurry etc).  I dont think that Bennett ever glances directly at Hickey, but its difficult to tell.  His face-patch is pinkest at B16, i think that he looks towards the commotion in the limo, or is it a late reaction to the sound of Hickey's shot.  Is B16 a head turn reaction to Hickey's shot at B09?  Bennett's head is 100% hidden by the red lady's head in B17, & in B18 his head is smudged & his face isnt detectable, & later when i included B19 i found that B19 had a strange pinkish smudge near where Bennett's face should be, but i couldnt find any clear evidence that the possible head turn reaction in B16 continued after, if i did find such evidence then it would be ok for me to claim that Bennett had a head-turn reaction to Hickey's shot at B09, but no such luck.
 
(7) Hill (standing on the front of the left running board).  Hill can be seen running on the road just ahead of the windshield at B04, & by B18 he is way ahead almost at JFK's limo.  I said "can be seen running" but really its not much better than guesswork, Hill is so blurry.  We can see a suspicion of his face-patch in a few of the frames.  But there is no possibility of seeing whether Hill had any reaction to a shot at B09 (did Hill ever say that he heard the fatal 3rd shot?)(whilst running).

(8 ) McIntyre (standing on the rear of the left running board).  McIntyre can be seen looking right in B04 to B09, ie towards Hickey.  We know that McIntyre is looking right because we can't see the pink of McIntyre's face, we see the dark of the back of his head. 
And we can assume that he is looking at Hickey because he
 has seen that Hickey has picked up the AR15.

Then in B10 we can see the pink of the side of McIntyre's face because McIntyre has now quickly looked towards JFK,
& we can assume that that is because he saw Hickey fire at B09.
After B10 McIntyre continues to look towards JFK. 

(9) Ready (standing on the front of the right running board).  Ready is the clearest & most vizible of everyone in Queen Mary, ordinarily our view of Ready would be blocked by Hill standing on the left running board but Hill has run off.  Ready looks ahead the whole time, & shows no reaction to Hickey's shot.
(10)  Landis (standing on the rear of the right running board).  Our view of Landis is partly blocked by McIntyre in every frame.  In some frames we can see a small part of Landis's face & hair & head.  He might have looked to his left towards Hickey when Hickey picked up the AR15, & he might then have looked towards JFK after the shot, but i don’t think that we can judge any of that because his face is mostly blocked by McIntyre's head.  Bennett is sitting tween Landis & Hickey, & Bennett (leaning forward as always)(as can be seen in photos) has partly blocked Landis's view of Hickey picking up the AR15, hence Landis early on might not even be aware that Hickey has picked up the AR15. Actually silly me i forgot that Landis is standing next to the jump seats not next to the rear seat, hence Landis looking rightish because of the curve is looking awayish from Hickey & hardly likely to notice Hickey with the AR15 & in addition Landis somehow fails to react to the sound of the shot (he should have turned leftish).

Spectators.  There are 4 spectators close to Queen Mary on the southern side of Elm St, & others close on the northern side, & others at various locations, but i can't see any obvious reactions by any spectators to a shot by Hickey in Queen Mary.  Naturally spectators in B04 to B18 would be focused on JFK, especially after JFK's reaction to getting shot by Oswald's shot-2 at Z218 (ie 95 Zapruder frames before Z313-B09), & especially after Hill has taken off on foot.  And Hickey is hidden away in the middle of a ring of Agents.