The Ambush

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Online Zeon Mason

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Re: The Ambush
« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2018, 04:03:52 AM »
most of crowd is looking towards TSBD as JFK limo approaches, so more lilely shooter is seen if trying to shoot on approach.

most of crowd is looking away from TSBD, and thus away from shooter, when JFK limo moves down Elm st. so less likely shooter is seen taking shots from behind.

What is odd imo, is why the SW gunman, seen by Arnold Rowland, at 12:15pm,  did not return to that same SW window. Its actually the best window to shoot from behind, because the following reasons:

1. No adjacent building nearby to the  the snipers SW corner, unlike the SE window which has an East window that allows LOS from any persons on upper floors of Daltex building.

2. Allows a clear LOS to JFK in the limo, even if SS agents were riding on the rear, because the shooters angle is slighty to the side of the limo.

3. A much smaller % of the crowd would have a visual to the shooter on this side TSBD, than at the SE window.

4. The shooter can easily use the lefthand corner of the window ledge as his rifle rest with less obstruction from pipes to the left of that window, and fewer boxes stacked up.

5. The distance to the staircase, or to the west elevator is 100 ft less distance than from SE window. There is no zigzagging required either, it is a straight line to the stairs/west elevator, unobstructed.

6. there are several West windows along that west aisle that the shooter could have thrown his rfile out to an accomplice standing below, on the roof top of the loading dock annex on that side the building. That accomplice could have then taken rifle and exited off the roof or tossed it to someone in car beside edge of that side of the annex. The rifle would be gone from TSBD as quickly as 20 sec posts shots.

7. shooter could have taken  West elevator down to 1st floor after having moved it to 6th floor just after Baker/Truly began up the 5th floor staircase. So when B&T go to 5th floor landing, the West elevator appeared to be gone. It was actually on the 6th floor, and because Baker failed to stop to check the 6th lfoor, allowed shooter go down on the West elevator to the 1st floor. It was not Jack Dougherty, but the shooter, who used the west elevator.
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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: The Ambush
« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2018, 05:07:01 PM »
Please take a moment to explain what difference it makes whether Oswald used the irons versus the scope, in relation to leading the target.  I can't wait to hear this one.

Way to colossally miss the point.  Try reading my post again and in particular pay attention to the quote I helpfully included as part of my response.

Online Mitch Todd

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Re: The Ambush
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2018, 12:45:30 AM »


Why would a sniper wait until a target is eluding a perfect kill zone ...turning off and heading away into cover of signs and trees and then open fire?

You realize that the sniper's nest is only 2 feet from the window to the wall of boxes. Try to imagine yourself getting into position for a shot at a target on Houston from the half-closed window in that narrow a space. 

Online Mitch Todd

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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2018, 12:52:08 AM »
Please take a moment to explain what difference it makes whether Oswald used the irons versus the scope, in relation to leading the target.  I can't wait to hear this one.

From my own experience, the iron sights would be easier to use in this case. Scopes narrow your field of view, which can be problematic trying to acquire/re-acquire a moving target.

Online John Mytton

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Re: The Ambush
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2018, 03:13:52 AM »
So it easier to fire from this same cramped space down Elm Street? What's your point?



You really haven't got a clue, to fire virtually straight down you have to have the rifle pointing virtually straight down whereas to shoot down Elm street, he could be lower and more in the shadows.



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Offline Bill Brown

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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2018, 12:04:36 PM »
A non- issue it seems.

Exactly... And yet some choose to try to make an issue out of it.

Offline Gary Craig

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Re: The Ambush
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2018, 02:44:58 PM »
~snip~

Mr. Eisenberg: Was it reported to you by the person who ran the machine-run tests whether they had difficulties with sighting the weapon in?

Mr. Simmons: Well, they could not sight the weapon in using the telescope, and no attempt was made to sight it in using the iron sight. We did adjust the telescope sight by the addition of two shims, one which tended to adjust the azimuth, and one which adjusted an elevation.

~snip~

Mr. EISENBERG. How did he do with the iron sight on the third target?

Mr. SIMMONS. On the third target he missed the boards completely. And we have not checked this out. It appears that for the firing posture which Mr. Miller--Specialist Miller uses, the iron sight is not zeroed for him, since his impacts on the first and second targets were quite high, and against the third target we would assume that the projectile went over the top of the target, which extended only a few inches over the top of the silhouette.

Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Simmons, were your marksmen instructed to aim at the three targets in consecutive order?

Mr. SIMMONS. The marksmen were instructed to take as much time as they desired at the first target, and then to fire--at the first target, being at 175 feet--to then fire at the target emplaced at 240 feet, and then at the one at 265 feet.

~snip~

Mr. Eisenberg: Do you think a marksman who is less than a highly skilled marksman under those conditions would be able to shoot in the range of 1.2 mil aiming error?

Mr. Simmons: Obviously considerable experience would have to be in one's back background to do so. And with this weapon, I think also considerable experience with this weapon, because of the amount of effort required to work the bolt.

~snip~