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Offline Lee Wotton

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Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2018, 07:57:04 PM »
In 1978 during the HSCA Anne Goodpasture confirmed that "Oswald" visited the embassies 5 times and consequently the photo surveillance missed photographing him 10 times.  She also concludes that the audio tape of "Oswald" was identical to Oswald's voice as sent from Washington immediately after the assassination.  See my other post on Anne Goodpasture for citation.

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Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2018, 04:27:01 AM »
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In 1978 during the HSCA Anne Goodpasture confirmed that "Oswald" visited the embassies 5 times and consequently the photo surveillance missed photographing him 10 times.  She also concludes that the audio tape of "Oswald" was identical to Oswald's voice as sent from Washington immediately after the assassination.  See my other post on Anne Goodpasture for citation.

Let's hear the audio tape.

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Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2018, 02:39:54 PM »
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Let's hear the audio tape.

Goodpasture stated in her testimony that she did not know whether there was any comparison made of Oswald's voice with any tapes.

Goodpasture (pg. 18): "I don't know whether someone took those transcripts [of Oswald's calls] to the transcriber and asked him if it was the same person or if he may have had copies of that tape remaining at that time but you would have to ask him about that."

Boris Tarasoff (code name Feinglass) was the CIA transcriber of the calls to the Soviet Embassy. He testified that he made no voice comparison of Oswald with any tapes. As I understand it, Oswald made no calls to the Cuban consulate. He only made calls to the Soviet Embassy.

Granted, that doesn't mean someone else made a voice comparison. Goodpasture just specifically mentions the transcriber (Tarasoff) but, I suppose one could have been done by others. But nowhere in her testimony, as far as I can tell, does she say one was done.

Additionally, as I understand the evidence, Oswald visited the consulates/embassy multiple times on Saturday. There was no photographic coverage of the consulates on weekends. He went to the Soviet consulate embassy once on Friday - after visiting the Cuban consulate first - and visited the Cuban consulate twice.

The Lopez report and AARB investigation determined that there were no photos taken of Oswald on Friday.

Oleg Nechiporenko, the KGB officer who met Oswald at the Embassy over two days (and said it was indeed Lee Oswald), wrote in his book that the mystery man in the photos was a "former American serviceman" and that he talked to the man several times. Tarasoff was shown the photos and said it looked a person he knew by the name of "Andreeyev". Not exactly an American name <g>.

Here is Goodpasture's testimony to the HSCA:
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Boris Tarasoff and his wife, who also translated tapes, were interviewed here:
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« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2019, 04:17:05 AM »
The unidentified big guy in the white T shirt with Roscoe White [hands on hips] resembles Mex City Oswald....

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Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
« Reply #14 on: February 06, 2019, 05:06:09 AM »
Another Wallyburger hallucination: 'Ears never change'

LOL

Waldo, listen up: Because of the pull of gravity, earlobes stretch down over time.
You can look it up.

Look at old (100 years) Kirk Douglas's lobes
They practically reach his jawline.
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Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2019, 08:44:48 PM »
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The unidentified big guy in the white T shirt with Roscoe White [hands on hips] resembles Mex City Oswald....

The Soviet embassy officials/KGB agents were shown the photos of the "mysterious" person and all said the man in the photos was not the person they met over two days who said he was Lee Harvey Oswald. They said the man they met was indeed the Lee Harvey Oswald accused of shooting JFK.

Furthermore, the photos that the CIA released were of a man who was photographed entering the Embassy on Monday. There's no evidence whatsoever that anyone calling himself Oswald - or even the real Oswald - visited the Embassy on Monday.

The CIA screwed up. They thought Oswald visited the Embassy on Monday. Then they - Anne Goodpasture admitted to being the person - reviewed some photos and thought this was a possible candidate. As is obvious that's not even close to resembling Oswald.

And to add: the Lopez Report done for the HSCA stated that the person in the photos was identified as a Soviet KGB officer by the name of: Yuri Ivanovitch Moskalev. However, the report says this was based on just one (unnamed) source.
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In my view, this is a non-story.
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Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2019, 04:40:23 AM »
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The Soviet embassy officials/KGB agents were shown the photos of the "mysterious" person and all said the man in the photos was not the person they met over two days who said he was Lee Harvey Oswald. They said the man they met was indeed the Lee Harvey Oswald accused of shooting JFK.

Furthermore, the photos that the CIA released were of a man who was photographed entering the Embassy on Monday. There's no evidence whatsoever that anyone calling himself Oswald - or even the real Oswald - visited the Embassy on Monday.

The CIA screwed up. They thought Oswald visited the Embassy on Monday. Then they - Anne Goodpasture admitted to being the person - reviewed some photos and thought this was a possible candidate. As is obvious that's not even close to resembling Oswald.

In my view, this is a non-story.

Dear Steve M. Galbraith,

KGB boys Nechiporenko, Yatskov, Kostikov, and Nikolai Leonov (whose calling card was in Castro's wallet when he and Che were arrested in Mexico City in 1956) did not meet with anyone related to the 11/22/63 assassination at the Soviet diplomatic compound on Friday September 27, Saturday September 28, or (contrary to what Leonov said a few years ago) on Sunday September 29.

Neither did Duran, Azcue, or Mirabal meet with anybody like that at the Cuban Consulate, except, of course, with the aforementioned Leonov, who provided them with a passport-sized photo of Oswald (that had been taken in the USSR), and who told them what to do and say (with Castro's authorization, of course).

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
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Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2019, 03:26:40 PM »
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Dear Steve M. Galbraith,

KGB boys Nechiporenko, Yatskov, Kostikov, and Nikolai Leonov (whose calling card was in Castro's wallet when he and Che were arrested in Mexico City in 1956) did not meet with anyone related to the 11/22/63 assassination at the Soviet diplomatic compound on Friday September 27, Saturday September 28, or (contrary to what Leonov said a few years ago) on Sunday September 29.

Neither did Duran, Azcue, or Mirabal meet with anybody like that at the Cuban Consulate, except, of course, with the aforementioned Leonov, who provided them with a passport-sized photo of Oswald (that had been taken in the USSR), and who told them what to do and say (with Castro's authorization, of course).

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy  :)
Then, in your view, the photos are faked, the signatures are faked, the eyewitnesses (Cuban, Soviet, Mexican, American) who saw a person they say was Oswald were wrong, the letter Oswald typed to the Soviets was faked, the draft note for that letter that he wrote (the handwriting was identified as him) was faked, the details in the note that only the real Oswald would know about were faked....and on and on.

That's a lot of fakery and falsification. And who did all of this? The KGB?

You are relying on one person's belief - Azcue's - that the person was not Oswald and then ignoring all of the counter evidence that indicates it was Oswald.

That's not how I evaluate evidence but you're certainly welcome to chart a different course.
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Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2019, 04:12:19 AM »
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Then, in your view, the photos are faked, the signatures are faked, the eyewitnesses (Cuban, Soviet, Mexican, American) who saw a person they say was Oswald were wrong, the letter Oswald typed to the Soviets was faked, the draft note for that letter that he wrote (the handwriting was identified as him) was faked, the details in the note that only the real Oswald would know about were faked....and on and on.

That's a lot of fakery and falsification. And who did all of this? The KGB?

You are relying on one person's belief - Azcue's - that the person was not Oswald and then ignoring all of the counter evidence that indicates it was Oswald.

That's not how I evaluate evidence but you're certainly welcome to chart a different course.

Steve M. Galbraith,

I think the passport-sized photo of Oswald that was attached to the Cuban visa application was taken in the USSR (fwiw, we know that he often wore that sweater vest there for "dress up" social occasions), so it's a little unfair for you to claim that I think the photo was "faked".

The people in MC who claimed they'd dealt with Oswald weren't wrong, Steve, they were lying. (There is a difference.)

If, as I contend, Oswald's alleged visits to the Cuban and Soviet consulates were fabrications out of whole cloth by the KGB and the DGI, then why wouldn't they be able to embellish the narrative (e.g., the Kostin Letter) any way they saw fit in an attempt to make said narrative seem more plausible?

All of the counter-evidence to which you allude (even Leonov's claimed "meeting one-on-one with Oswald at the Soviet Embassy on Sunday, September 29" !!!) paint the man-who-was-not-there (Oswald) as an unstable and potentially violent young man, someone who was fully capable of assassinating an American president, and thereby serve to augment the WW III Virus which was created by KGB triple-agent Aleksei Kulak and planted in Oswald's CIA file by KGB triple-agent Ivan Obyedkov and a Russian Oswald impostor (probably KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov)
over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phoneline on Tuesday, October 1.

Although Sylvia Duran claimed that she'd dealt with real-deal Lee Harvey Oswald, she described the guy she'd dealt with as being "about the same height" as her (she was 5' 3.5" whereas Oswald was 5' 9.5"), and not only having blond hair and blue or green eyes, but as also having "an elongated(read very thin) face" to boot, so she isn't describing Oswald here, but KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy   :)

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Re: Likely Identity of Mexico City Mystery Man
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2019, 06:33:46 PM »
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Steve M. Galbraith,

I think the passport-sized photo of Oswald that was attached to the Cuban visa application was taken in the USSR (fwiw, we know that he often wore that sweater vest there for "dress up" social occasions), so it's a little unfair for you to claim that I think the photo was "faked".

The people in MC who claimed they'd dealt with Oswald weren't wrong, Steve, they were lying. (There is a difference.)

If, as I contend, Oswald's alleged visits to the Cuban and Soviet consulates were fabrications out of whole cloth by the KGB and the DGI, then why wouldn't they be able to embellish the narrative (e.g., the Kostin Letter) any way they saw fit in an attempt to make said narrative seem more plausible?

All of the counter-evidence to which you allude (even Leonov's claimed "meeting one-on-one with Oswald at the Soviet Embassy on Sunday, September 29" !!!) paint the man-who-was-not-there (Oswald) as an unstable and potentially violent young man, someone who was fully capable of assassinating an American president, and thereby serve to augment the WW III Virus which was created by KGB triple-agent Aleksei Kulak and planted in Oswald's CIA file by KGB triple-agent Ivan Obyedkov and a Russian Oswald impostor (probably KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov)
over a sure-to-be-tapped-by-CIA phoneline on Tuesday, October 1.

Although Sylvia Duran claimed that she'd dealt with real-deal Lee Harvey Oswald, she described the guy she'd dealt with as being "about the same height" as her (she was 5' 3.5" whereas Oswald was 5' 9.5"), and not only having blond hair and blue or green eyes, but as also having "an elongated(read very thin) face" to boot, so she isn't describing Oswald here, but KGB colonel Nikolai Leonov.

-- Mudd Wrassler Tommy   :)

Hey Mudd.... There were others who saw Lee Oswald at the Cuban Embassy.... Do you recall how they described the man??

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