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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #330 on: January 11, 2019, 04:52:48 PM »
The chicken stuff that was in the Smoker's Nook behind the SE corner window on the sixth floor  apparently was moved around a bit before it was gathered up to be taken to the DPD crime lab.  Perhaps it had been removed or moved to a different location and it wasn't there when Alyea saw the Smoker's nook....   Neither you nor I can know the exact details.... 

And Alyea's footage most certainly DOES show the Carcano lying on THE FLOOR on it's right side, with the butt plate parallel with the floor, and on a North South axis.  The leather sling was up......

That rifle was NOT jammed between boxes of books when Day picked it up by the leather sling that was right there at his finger tips...

   That's IF you believe Alyea was actually filming the Initial Retrieval of the Carcano and was not duped into filming a Staged Retrieval of the Carcano. The Alyea film Not showing an empty Carcano Clip extending from the bottom of the rifle, (as was later captured on Images of the Carcano as it was being carried from the TSBD by Lt Day), makes one believe the Carcano had been handled by law enforcement Prior to the Alyea footage.
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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #331 on: January 11, 2019, 05:06:16 PM »
The chicken stuff that was in the Smoker's Nook behind the SE corner window on the sixth floor  apparently was moved around a bit before it was gathered up to be taken to the DPD crime lab.  Perhaps it had been removed or moved to a different location and it wasn't there when Alyea saw the Smoker's nook....   Neither you nor I can know the exact details.... 

And Alyea's footage most certainly DOES show the Carcano lying on THE FLOOR on it's right side, with the butt plate parallel with the floor, and on a North South axis.  The leather sling was up......

That rifle was NOT jammed between boxes of books when Day picked it up by the leather sling that was right there at his finger tips...

"And Alyea's footage most certainly DOES show the Carcano lying on THE FLOOR on it's right side, with the butt plate parallel with the floor, and on a North South axis.  The leather sling was up......"

No it doesn't . You're lying again.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #332 on: January 11, 2019, 05:32:44 PM »
"And Alyea's footage most certainly DOES show the Carcano lying on THE FLOOR on it's right side, with the butt plate parallel with the floor, and on a North South axis.  The leather sling was up......"

No it doesn't . You're lying again.

    The Alyea footage Clearly shows NO CLIP extending/hanging out of the underside of the rifle. Lt Day and Fritz spun that rifle around as it was dusted for prints. They even jerked around on it as they ejected a live round from the chamber. Still NO CLIP visible. Yet, when Lt. Day parades out of the TSBD "POOF". We Suddenly have images showing a CLIP dangling from the underside of the Carcano. Definitely David Copperfield worthy work being employed that day.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #333 on: January 11, 2019, 07:46:44 PM »
   That's IF you believe Alyea was actually filming the Initial Retrieval of the Carcano and was not duped into filming a Staged Retrieval of the Carcano. The Alyea film Not showing an empty Carcano Clip extending from the bottom of the rifle, (as was later captured on Images of the Carcano as it was being carried from the TSBD by Lt Day), makes one believe the Carcano had been handled by law enforcement Prior to the Alyea footage.

That's IF you believe Alyea was actually filming the Initial Retrieval of the Carcano and was not duped into filming a Staged Retrieval of the Carcano.

The Carcano was discovered at 1:22 PM....Day was photographed leaving the TSBD with the Carcano at about 2:10  PM and he was at police headquarters with the rifle before 3:00 PM... 

When would a "staged Retrieval" have taken place??   

 The Alyea film Not showing an empty Carcano Clip extending from the bottom of the rifle, (as was later captured on Images of the Carcano as it was being carried from the TSBD by Lt Day), makes one believe the Carcano had been handled by law enforcement Prior to the Alyea footage.

But Alyea's footage DOES in fact show the clip in the magazine...  It's not hanging out of the magazine as it is seen in the photos of Day carrying the Carcano out of the TSBD, but it was in the magazine at the time that Alyea filmed  Detective Day dusting the rifle for prints behind the brightly lit west window of the TSBD...

That clip was not jammed or stuck or hung up in the magazine... I was freely sliding around in the mag as the rifle was handled...and by the time Day left the TSBD with the rifle it had worked it's way out to the point it was nearly ready to drop free of magazine.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #334 on: January 11, 2019, 08:33:44 PM »
"And Alyea's footage most certainly DOES show the Carcano lying on THE FLOOR on it's right side, with the butt plate parallel with the floor, and on a North South axis.  The leather sling was up......"

No it doesn't . You're lying again.

Please take a look ...see for yourself....   That's why you were given the gift of sight.... Watch closely starting at the 0:33 point and through the 0:35 point....

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« Reply #335 on: January 11, 2019, 11:22:57 PM »
That's IF you believe Alyea was actually filming the Initial Retrieval of the Carcano and was not duped into filming a Staged Retrieval of the Carcano.

The Carcano was discovered at 1:22 PM....Day was photographed leaving the TSBD with the Carcano at about 2:10  PM and he was at police headquarters with the rifle before 3:00 PM... 

When would a "staged Retrieval" have taken place??   

 The Alyea film Not showing an empty Carcano Clip extending from the bottom of the rifle, (as was later captured on Images of the Carcano as it was being carried from the TSBD by Lt Day), makes one believe the Carcano had been handled by law enforcement Prior to the Alyea footage.

But Alyea's footage DOES in fact show the clip in the magazine...  It's not hanging out of the magazine as it is seen in the photos of Day carrying the Carcano out of the TSBD, but it was in the magazine at the time that Alyea filmed  Detective Day dusting the rifle for prints behind the brightly lit west window of the TSBD...

That clip was not jammed or stuck or hung up in the magazine... I was freely sliding around in the mag as the rifle was handled...and by the time Day left the TSBD with the rifle it had worked it's way out to the point it was nearly ready to drop free of magazine.

    I have seen NO Alyea footage "showing" the Clip as you claim. If as You claim the Clip is: (1) "IN the magazine", and (2) "NOT Hanging Out of the magazine", how would it be visible in the Alyea footage?
   
   

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #336 on: January 12, 2019, 12:34:26 AM »
    I have seen NO Alyea footage "showing" the Clip as you claim. If as You claim the Clip is: (1) "IN the magazine", and (2) "NOT Hanging Out of the magazine", how would it be visible in the Alyea footage?
   
 

A couple of years ago a poster in this forum posted a clip ( a single frame) of Alyea's film that showed Day working over the rifle behind the brightly lit west window and Day had the aperture of the magazine turned toward Alyea's camera...  Thelight colored brass clip was visible in the magazine.

Naturally that destroys many pet theories that rest on the clip being absent....and many cases of Cranium Rectalitis immediately surfaced and the suffering victims couldn't see the clip.

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #337 on: January 12, 2019, 12:50:41 AM »
A couple of years ago a poster in this forum posted a clip ( a single frame) of Alyea's film that showed Day working over the rifle behind the brightly lit west window and Day had the aperture of the magazine turned toward Alyea's camera...  Thelight colored brass clip was visible in the magazine.

Naturally that destroys many pet theories that rest on the clip being absent....and many cases of Cranium Rectalitis immediately surfaced and the suffering victims couldn't see the clip.

         That Image was Inconclusive. I remember it being debated as to whether we were actually seeing something BEHIND the rifle. The clarity of the Alyea Film has always been an issue. Your claiming what you Want to see as being a fact only damages your other Opinions regarding the assassination of JFK. It also misleads JFK Assassination Newbes. 

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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #338 on: January 12, 2019, 01:06:16 AM »
         That Image was Inconclusive. I remember it being debated as to whether we were actually seeing something BEHIND the rifle. The clarity of the Alyea Film has always been an issue. Your claiming what you Want to see as being a fact only damages your other Opinions regarding the assassination of JFK. It also misleads JFK Assassination Newbes.


That Image was Inconclusive.

Do you have the image?...  I reproduced the image using A carcano and a brass clip.... I'm 100% certain that there was a clip in the magazine as Detective Day examined it...But he was such a clutz that he had no idea what he was doing...(Or perhaps the pressure in the aftermath of the murder that he was involved in cause brain paralysis ) And YES He was one of the conspirators...in the cover up.

The clarity of the Alyea Film has always been an issue.

I agree...And WHY do suppose that is??  Tom Alyea was a professional reporter and photographer...Why do the clips of his fillm look like the work of an amateur ??   Wanna offer a speculation?   Why are the really important parts cropped??  WHO screened his stuff before it was released...Wasn't it Hoover's gang?

PS  Do you remember the name of the man who posted the Alyea frame?
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Re: What happened to the Mauser?
« Reply #339 on: January 12, 2019, 02:04:48 PM »
    The Alyea footage Clearly shows NO CLIP extending/hanging out of the underside of the rifle. Lt Day and Fritz spun that rifle around as it was dusted for prints. They even jerked around on it as they ejected a live round from the chamber. Still NO CLIP visible. Yet, when Lt. Day parades out of the TSBD "POOF". We Suddenly have images showing a CLIP dangling from the underside of the Carcano. Definitely David Copperfield worthy work being employed that day.

Royell, There definitely was a brass ammo clip in the magazine of the Carcano at the time Detective Day was examining the rifle for finger prints behind the sunlit window of the TSBD.  I'm 100% certain that this is a fact.....

It is also true that that clip should NOT ( and COULD NOT) have been there in that rifle if it had been fired and stripped of the cartridges in it, less than an hour earlier. (  The action of operating the bolt would have stripped the last cartridge from the clip and the clip would have fallen free out of the aperture in the bottom of the magazine of the rifle. )

The fact that there was a clip in the rifle is solid proof that the rifle was a "throw down" gun that was intended to be linked to the patsy Lee Oswald.

I know that these facts clash with your beliefs but they are true facts....
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