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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2018, 06:33:35 PM »

 It might help if you posted what I said which is-

As to looking back in Altgens six, the frontal shot has not either happened yet or they have not had time to react to it/them


 The frontal shot is generally the one referred to at 313 by us folks

JohnM is referring to the SS agents looking back at the TSBD entrance. He posted the Altgens image with JFK in colour. Do you not see JFK's fists at his throat?




Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2018, 06:48:27 PM »
JohnM is referring to the SS agents looking back at the TSBD entrance. He posted the Altgens image with JFK in colour. Do you not see JFK's fists at his throat?

 Yes I see his hands He, and the the SS agents have reacted to a shot Wherever did you get the impression I was saying they were not?

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2018, 08:02:09 PM »
Only the agent in front needs to have reacted, the one behind could have just reacted to him.
Weigman reacted to the parade slowing down as he often did, by jumping out to grab exclusives.
Hargis reacted to Weigman, heads right for him.
Haygood probably reacted to Curry and what he saw on Elm.

Look into why Jackson didn't run toward the building and pick one of the many answers he gave over the years.

Offline Royell Storing

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2018, 08:51:31 PM »
Only the agent in front needs to have reacted, the one behind could have just reacted to him.
Weigman reacted to the parade slowing down as he often did, by jumping out to grab exclusives.
Hargis reacted to Weigman, heads right for him.
Haygood probably reacted to Curry and what he saw on Elm.

Look into why Jackson didn't run toward the building and pick one of the many answers he gave over the years.

      Your description of the reaction & route that Officer Hargis took is pure speculation and flies in the face of his WC Testimony. As to Baker, he admits it was pigeons that sent him into the TSBD with the intention of gaining access to the roof of the building.

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2018, 09:04:57 PM »
98% of what I offer has no bearing on the testimony unless it's to argue against it as proof of anything but saying it's all speculation is far from true.
Not one single thing in the photographic record disputes where I say Hargis ran to and how quick he turned back, that's all I care about.

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2018, 10:35:14 PM »
98% of what I offer has no bearing on the testimony unless it's to argue against it as proof of anything but saying it's all speculation is far from true.
Not one single thing in the photographic record disputes where I say Hargis ran to and how quick he turned back, that's all I care about.

       Why not be upfront and simply state this is what you Think/Believe happened? Proffering your Opinion as Fact does nothing but damage your credibility going forward.

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2018, 02:20:04 AM »
Okay yes IMHO, I do forget sometimes but do you see how the thread started?
Pick out that which you think is wrong, tell me why and perhaps you'll encourage me to rethink it, the old fashioned way but if you gave me any credit at all, you'd know I don't make things up based on nothing and you'd also know what I think of testimony. I've been over each one of those issues I mentioned above already in the past with you personally.

Every little nugget you can find in the spotty photographic evidence tells me Hargis ran to Wiegman, even what I last found in Paschall, the woman who ran and dove to the grass by the Newmans got up again and moved out of Hargis' way and IMHO Wiegman himself dove to the ground to show he was no threat to the appraching officer with his pistol out.
That's why he's sprawled over those steps so akwardly, there was no need for him to be getting a steady shots of the Hesters, that's not his style, he was the smash and grab type an get back to the car, he went down to protect himself, only reason this is controversial is if you never heard it before but it makes so much sense to me.

Offline Jim Brazell

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2018, 04:18:21 AM »
The SS looking back are indeed reacting to a shot (but it is NOT where JFK brings his hands to his throat)... described as a firecracker sound-the white car behind LBJ having barely made the turn already has the driver's side back door opening reacting to disturbance. SS Youngblood does not jump on LBJ as LBJ said according to Yarborough...instead LBJ has ducked in the floorboard of the car and is listening on a radio/walkie talkie. He is probably listening on the same radio/walkie talkie that "bored" terrorist Orlando Bosch clearly has on him as he sits on the curb with the umbrella man. He is not the only man seen in Dealey Plaza with a walkie tie...as almost directly across the street is another...Jim...last name escapes me at the moment, clearly seen in his back pocket. There were 53 witnesses that said they felt the shots came from the Grassy Knoll area. There is smoke coming out from the trees in that area verifying Yarborough's account of smelling gunpowder "at street level". There were other people that felt that the shots came from the TSBD...one doesn't exclude the other. The only thing the LNs can't show is the actual shots coming from the TSBD....there is however video evidence of shots coming from other locations. There are bullet holes in the windshield (front to back), chrome of the car, a piece of the curb removed, a pistol bullet recovered by Buddy Walthers, 2 bullet holes in the man hole cover and even witnesses who said they saw bullets strike pavement behind limo. 4 JFK wounds and 3 Connally wounds. Are we talking pinball ? Mercy.         

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #28 on: June 30, 2018, 12:30:53 AM »
The SS looking back are indeed reacting to a shot (but it is NOT where JFK brings his hands to his throat)... described as a firecracker sound-the white car behind LBJ having barely made the turn already has the driver's side back door opening reacting to disturbance. SS Youngblood does not jump on LBJ as LBJ said according to Yarborough...instead LBJ has ducked in the floorboard of the car and is listening on a radio/walkie talkie. He is probably listening on the same radio/walkie talkie that "bored" terrorist Orlando Bosch clearly has on him as he sits on the curb with the umbrella man. He is not the only man seen in Dealey Plaza with a walkie tie...as almost directly across the street is another...Jim...last name escapes me at the moment, clearly seen in his back pocket. There were 53 witnesses that said they felt the shots came from the Grassy Knoll area. There is smoke coming out from the trees in that area verifying Yarborough's account of smelling gunpowder "at street level". There were other people that felt that the shots came from the TSBD...one doesn't exclude the other. The only thing the LNs can't show is the actual shots coming from the TSBD....there is however video evidence of shots coming from other locations. There are bullet holes in the windshield (front to back), chrome of the car, a piece of the curb removed, a pistol bullet recovered by Buddy Walthers, 2 bullet holes in the man hole cover and even witnesses who said they saw bullets strike pavement behind limo. 4 JFK wounds and 3 Connally wounds. Are we talking pinball ? Mercy.         

Hi Jim Welcome or welcome back which ever the case may be I started a LBJ ducking thread while back and perhaps you might be interested or perhaps you have already seen it We also have one on  the hole in the windshield if you are interested in that

Offline Royell Storing

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #29 on: June 30, 2018, 04:12:55 AM »
Okay yes IMHO, I do forget sometimes but do you see how the thread started?
Pick out that which you think is wrong, tell me why and perhaps you'll encourage me to rethink it, the old fashioned way but if you gave me any credit at all, you'd know I don't make things up based on nothing and you'd also know what I think of testimony. I've been over each one of those issues I mentioned above already in the past with you personally.

Every little nugget you can find in the spotty photographic evidence tells me Hargis ran to Wiegman, even what I last found in Paschall, the woman who ran and dove to the grass by the Newmans got up again and moved out of Hargis' way and IMHO Wiegman himself dove to the ground to show he was no threat to the appraching officer with his pistol out.
That's why he's sprawled over those steps so akwardly, there was no need for him to be getting a steady shots of the Hesters, that's not his style, he was the smash and grab type an get back to the car, he went down to protect himself, only reason this is controversial is if you never heard it before but it makes so much sense to me.

        The issue I have regarding your claiming that Hargis followed Wiegman UP the knoll is the time frame.  Wiegman jumped out of the Camera Car ran around the corner,  and then ran Down Elm St. He then leaves Elm St heading (N) UP the Knoll while panning his camera across the knoll. The early frames of Wiegman's jittery film show the LBJ SS Follow Up Car on the South side of Elm St and what looks to be Hargis's motorcycle on the left of that SS Follow Up Car. Where is Hargis? We see Hargis bringing his motorcycle to a Stop on the Zapruder film. Do you believe Hargis racked his motorcycle and then simply stood there while somehow avoiding being filmed by Wiegman? And if Hargis is trailing Wiegman on the knoll, how is it that Hargis and his White Helmet are Nowhere on the Wiegman Film? The time stamping of the Wiegman Film is Wrong. This is due to the Fact that for 35-40 years it was simply accepted that the Wiegman Film was filmed "Continuously". This has been proven to be Wrong. Unfortunately, segments of other assassination films and the characters within those segments have used the erroneous "continuous" filming of the Wiegman Film to help assign their time stamping. For example, if Wiegman was going UP the knoll Less than 30 seconds after the assassination and is panning his camera across the knoll, and then filming the Alleged Hester's still laying on the ground, where is Zapruder? Where is Sitzman? They are Not on the Wiegman Film. Just how quickly can the middle aged and dizzy Zapruder and Sitzman dismount their Perch and somehow disappear/miss being filmed by Wiegman?
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