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Online John Mytton

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2018, 10:25:03 AM »
obviously some time after the assassination

Really? With the Newmans and their kids still lying on the grass?

So, just how many seconds constitutes "obviously some time" in your mind?

Another typical Mytton exaggeration!





The Newans were clearly a valuable photo op and have been on the ground long enough for a crowd of photographers to gather, the other hint is that Umbrella Man and his mate are finally sitting and just appear bored.

Here's another photo of the Newmans who now appear relaxed and long after the photographers have moved on and we can still see no one running anywhere the classic knoll fence.



Ironically the only self serving time guestimate of what you claimed as "seconds" came from you. LOL!

But it doesn't really matter anyway because the photographic evidence that you just conveniently ignored clearly shows the first people who moved anywhere, moved right past the grassy knoll fence.





The Bell film shows a whole lot of people have arrived at the crime scene and nobody is running anywhere near the grassy knoll fence.





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Online Joe Elliott

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2018, 01:04:21 PM »



The Newans were clearly a valuable photo op and have been on the ground long enough for a crowd of photographers to gather, the other hint is that Umbrella Man and his mate are finally sitting and just appear bored.

Here's another photo of the Newmans who now appear relaxed and long after the photographers have moved on and we can still see no one running anywhere the classic knoll fence.

Ironically the only self serving time guestimate of what you claimed as "seconds" came from you. LOL!

But it doesn't really matter anyway because the photographic evidence that you just conveniently ignored clearly shows the first people who moved anywhere, moved right past the grassy knoll fence.

The Bell film shows a whole lot of people have arrived at the crime scene and nobody is running anywhere near the grassy knoll fence.



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Agreed. Clearly, the people are trying to see the limousine. A lot of people did not clearly see what happened to the President. For most, someone?s head was in the way of their view of the limousine at z312, since most viewers were to the northeast of the President, not standing alongside. Most would have difficulty seeing the limousine at all and didn?t realize that it was leaving the plaza at high speed after z345. So, they tried to go far enough to the southwest in hopes they could see the limousine and hopefully find out that President was not wounded. When they saw the limousine was no longer in the plaza, they headed for the overpass in hopes of seeing the limousine just on the other side, not realizing that the limousine immediately headed off at high speed for the hospital.

The real ?Rush for the Knoll? did not occur until a couple of minutes later, when it occurred to the people that since shots were fired, it would be prudent to get out of open spaces. For many people, the fastest way to get away from open spaces was to cross Elm Street, go up the grassy knoll and get some protection on the other side of the fences and monument.

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2018, 02:48:53 PM »
A link to a video Baker heading towards the TSBD Pretty striking how virtually everyone else heading south towards the knoll Yet we are supposed to believe the majority of witnesses thought the shoots came from the TSBD?



It's a herding instinct.  From the Elm St. perspective, the knoll area is in proximity to where JFK was shot and appears to provide seclusion for a shooter.  We know that isn't the case today because the backside of that area is entirely open to half of Dallas.  No assassin would choose that as the location to fire the shots.  That is what those folks discovered when they got there.
There was nothing to see.  But in the immediate aftermath of the assassination, that would be a reasonable place to surmise the shots might have come from.  Some people start moving in that direction and others start following withing having any independent knowledge as to where the shots came from. 

Online Colin Crow

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2018, 03:11:29 PM »
SENATOR COOPER - I didn't hear what he said he heard on the radio?
Mr. BAKER - I heard Chief Curry, the chief of the police over there, say, "Get some men over on the railroad track." I think everyone at that time thought these shots came from the railroad track.


Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2018, 03:46:57 PM »
'They were chasing the limo?'

LOL. Tell us where JohnM said, implied or meant that.



I like the three choice option of said, implied, or meanr

John M said   Well duh, people ran to where Kennedy was shot.

 That could be implied that he was shot in the Limo
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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #15 on: June 28, 2018, 04:10:32 PM »
Kennedy's fists are already at his throat, meaning two shots have already been fired

 Sorry your response is an utter non sequitur. Did you believe one of the first two shots was a frontal shot?

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #16 on: June 28, 2018, 05:13:06 PM »
Sorry your response is an utter non sequitur. Did you believe one of the first two shots was a frontal shot?

I'm not claiming any frontal shots.

Not a non-sequitur: you said the two agents looking back at the TSBD wouldn't have had time to turn around. They had already heard shots. Look at the  image of JFK's fists at his throat. The first shot missed and the twofer had already passed through the victims.
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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2018, 05:21:47 PM »
I like the hree choice option of said, implied, or meanr

John M said   Well duh, people ran to where Kennedy was shot.

 That could be implied that he was shot in the Limo

Inside the limo was the POTUS. Inside the POTUS were bullet wounds. The limo, the POTUS and his bullet wounds were already speeding away from the scene. Tell us how you can claim that the limo was the place that JohnM meant when saying 'where Kennedy was shot'
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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2018, 05:36:50 PM »
No

Not a non-sequitur: you said the two agents looking back at the TSBD wouldn't have had time to turn around. They had already heard shots. Look at the  image of JFK's fists at his throat. The first shot missed and the twofer had already passed through the victims.


 It might help if you posted what I said which is-

As to looking back in Altgens six, the frontal shot has not either happened yet or they have not had time to react to it/them


 The frontal shot is generally the one referred to at 313 by us folks 

Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Video of Baker heading to TSBD
« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2018, 06:11:50 PM »
Whats really going to throw a wrench into it all, is Mrs. Robert A. Reid's WC testimony describing exactly the  point at which she decided to return into TSBD:


Mr. BELIN. Before you turned and went back into the building did you---did Mr. Campbell say anything to you?
Mrs. REID. He said, "Oh, Mrs. Reid, no, it came from the grassy area down this way," and that was the last I said to him.
Mr. BELIN. All right. When he said "this way" which direction was he pointing?
Mrs. REID. Well, I hope I get my directions. In the direction of the parade was going, in the bottom of that direction
Mr. BELIN. Now, did you look around after the shots and notice what people were doing?
Mrs. REID. Well, it was just a mass of confusion. I saw people beginning to fall, and the thought that went through my mind, my goodness I must get out of this line of shots, they may fire some more. And don't ask me why I went into the building because I don't know.
Mr. BELIN. Did you see anything else of people running or doing anything else?
Mrs. REID. No; because I ran into the building. I do not recall seeing anyone in the lobby. I ran up to our office.


Now if someone can point out Mrs Reid in this Couch film, that would be most helpful, because i personally do not see a woman about 50+ years old, with glasses and white scarf, that was the woman seen standing beside Mr.Campbell in the Weigmann film clip, a film sequence preceding the Couch film sequence approx 25 sec before Couch flim captures Baker running.
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