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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions -- #441 (McDonald Pulls Gun)
« Reply #80 on: February 13, 2018, 03:02:04 PM »
FIRST REPORTS OUT OF DALLAS
TAKEN FROM THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS,

11/25/63

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"In an article written for the Associated Press by Dallas policeman
M.N. McDonald and printed in this paper, he states: "I was cruising
towards Oak Cliff, across the river (Trinity that splits Dallas almost
in half). I got a call about 1:30 p.m. The radio dispatcher, G.D.
Henslee, first told me to check the alleys. The next tip was that a
guy that fitted the description they were giving was in a branch
library out in Oak Cliff. This didn't take long to be a phoney. The
next one said a man acting funny was holed up in the balcony of the
Texas Theater. I headed that way in a hurry. The cashier at the
picture show was the one who called in to say this guy was acting
supicious and hidden out in the balcony."


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ASSINATION Or PRESIDENT KENNEDY
Officer Buddy Walther, Deputy Sheriff Dallas County Sheriff's Office

(Investigating officer most sign)
Date Nov 22, 1963

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"...we started towards 10th Street, where the police officer had
been killed in an effort to obtain further information and then received
radio information from Deputy Sheriff Bill Courson, who was also in the
Oak Cliff area, that the suspect was in the balcony of the Texas Theatre
on West Jefferson. We arrived at this location within a few seconds
and were met by many other officers. Upon proceeding to the balcony
of the theatre, I ordered the manager to turn on the house lights . Some
unknown officer was holding a white man at the steps of the balcony and
I proceeded on into the balcony. I looked over the balcony and saw a
commotion in the center section, near the back, in the downstairs of the
theatre, and I hollered to other officers, "He's downstairs" ., and we
all ran down the steps and to the area of the commotion. When I reached..."


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November 23, 1963

Captain W.P. Gannaway
Special Service Bureau
Dallas Police Department

Thru:
Lieutenant Jack Revill
Criminal Intelligence Section
Special Services Bureau
Dallas Police Department

SUBJECT: PRESIDENTIAL ASSASSINATION
         LEE HARVEY OSWALD

Sir:

The following report is submitted for your information.

On November 22, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested
in the balcony of the Texas Theater, 231 West Jefferson Blvd
and was charged with the murder of President John F. Kennedy
and the murder of Officer J.D. Tippit.

Respectfully submitted,

L.D. Stringfellow, Detective
Criminal Intelligence Section

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Re: Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions -- #441 (McDonald Pulls Gun)
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Re: Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions -- #441 (McDonald Pulls Gun)
« Reply #81 on: February 13, 2018, 03:49:51 PM »
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Nobody saw Oswald enter the theater without buying a ticket.

In her affidavit, Postal indicated that in her phone call to the DPD on Nov. 22 that she was asked whether the person had bought a ticket and she confirmed that he had not.  There is no evidence she or anyone else ever sold him one.  And we know Oswald entered the theatre because he was inside when the police arrived.  No movie ticket was found on him.  It doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to reach a conclusion that Oswald entered the theatre without buying a ticket.  Although I still get a good laugh at your stupid suggestion that he could have bought a ticket that morning (even though the box office wasn't open until noon and there was no reason to so).  That kind of ad hoc desperation to keep hope alive despite all the evidence and circumstances to the contrary is dishonest and lazy but very amusing for its profound absurdity in someone who takes his self so seriously.

"The officer asked me if the man bought a ticket, and I told him no, he didn't."  Julia Postal - Dec. 4, 1963 Affidavit:

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Re: Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions -- #441 (McDonald Pulls Gun)
« Reply #82 on: February 13, 2018, 06:30:42 PM »
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In her affidavit, Postal indicated that in her phone call to the DPD on Nov. 22 that she was asked whether the person had bought a ticket and she confirmed that he had not.

She told both Brewer and the FBI that she didn't recall whether he had purchased a ticket.  When Brewer asked her about "that man" she said "what man?".  She also confirmed in her testimony that she stepped out of the box office and went to the front and was facing west at the time Brewer's man allegedly came around the corner of the theater entrance.

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And we know Oswald entered the theatre because he was inside when the police arrived.

Yes, Einstein.  The question is *when* did he enter the theater.  Nobody actually saw him enter.  If he was buying popcorn at 1:07 as Butch Burroughs said, then Brewer saw somebody else.

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  No movie ticket was found on him. 

That's about as compelling as "no lunch bag was ever found".  And who cares if he bought a damn ticket or not?  Does that somehow prove that he killed somebody?

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Re: Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions -- #441 (McDonald Pulls Gun)
« Reply #83 on: February 13, 2018, 06:43:06 PM »
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She told both Brewer and the FBI that she didn't recall whether he had purchased a ticket.  When Brewer asked her about "that man" she said "what man?".  She also confirmed in her testimony that she stepped out of the box office and went to the front and was facing west at the time Brewer's man allegedly came around the corner of the theater entrance.

Yes, Einstein.  The question is *when* did he enter the theater.  Nobody actually saw him enter.  If he was buying popcorn at 1:07 as Butch Burroughs said, then Brewer saw somebody else.

That's about as compelling as "no lunch bag was ever found".  And who cares if he bought a damn ticket or not?  Does that somehow prove that he killed somebody?

who cares if he bought a damn ticket or not?

Who keeps the ticket stub after they enter a movie theater??..... The floor is often littered with discarded ticket stubs.....

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Re: Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions -- #441 (McDonald Pulls Gun)
« Reply #84 on: February 13, 2018, 11:49:23 PM »
The whole Brewer story is highly suspicious. This wasn't even the first one given to us. This is from my "Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions" series.

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It should be pointed out that even this simple assertion CHANGED.  Initially, the person who "saw" this was the cashier (Postal) who became suspicious when she noticed LHO change from seat to seat.  But this stretched the bounds of believable, even for the DPD and Wade, as she was stationed OUTSIDE the theater so how could she see anything going on inside?  She couldn't.  Then the story became the USHER saw LHO changing seats. Why this was disregarded is NOT known, but it was.  Finally, we got the shoe store salesman, Brewer, noticing LHO "acting suspiciously" when a police car drove by, and he allegedly saw LHO duck into the theater without paying.  IF they couldn't get this simple part of the story correctly, how can we trust them with the bigger issues?

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Re: Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions -- #441 (McDonald Pulls Gun)
« Reply #85 on: February 14, 2018, 12:04:46 AM »
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who cares if he bought a damn ticket or not?

Who keeps the ticket stub after they enter a movie theater??..... The floor is often littered with discarded ticket stubs.....

I don't believe Lee was ever asked if he bought a ticket?   Brewer just assumed the man that he saw looking in his shop window entered the theater without buying a ticket....even though it would have been very hard for a person to enter the theater at such a quiet time without being caught by he ticket taker Burroughs

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Julia Postal testimony before the WC
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Mr. BALL. Now, as the car went by, you say the man ducked in, had you seen him before the car went by, the police went by?
Mrs. POSTAL. No, sir; I was looking up, as I say, when the cars passed, as you know, they make a tremendous noise, and he ducked in as my boss went that way to get in his car.
Mr. BALL. Who is your boss?
Mrs. POSTAL. Mr. John A. Callahan.
Mr. BALL. Where did you say he was?
Mrs. POSTAL. Yes; I say, they bypassed each other, actually, the man ducked in this way and my employer went that-a-way, to get in his car.
OK I give up..why did Callahan 'go get in his car'...and what ever happened to him after that?

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Mrs. POSTAL...... No, sir; I told Johnny this.. so, I told Johnny about the fact that the President had been assassinated. "I don't know if this is the man they want," I said, "in there, but he is running from them for some reason," and I said "I am going to call the police, and you and Butch go get on each of the exit doors and stay there."
Hey, Julia really took charge there huh?
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So, well, I called the police, and he wanted to know why I thought it was their man, and I said, "Well, I didn't know," and he said, "Well, it fits the description," and I have not---I said I hadn't heard the description. All I know is, "This man is running from them for some reason." And he wanted to know why, and told him because everytime the sirens go by he would duck and he wanted to know----well, if he fits the description is what he says. I said, "Let me tell you what he looks like and you take it from there." And explained that he had on this brown sports shirt and I couldn't tell you what design it was, and medium height, ruddy looking to me, and he said, "Thank you,"..........

In her 12-4-1963 affidavit, Julia stated...
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Johnny Brewer asked me 'Did that guy buy a ticket'...I asked 'what guy?'
So she didn't even see the guy, she said.. but by the time of her WC testimony...she had supposedly described him to a tee in a phone call to the police. Not only that, but seemed to think he just might be the assassin they were looking for!!


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Most of the affidavits from JFK's murder investigation were taken and typed the day of the event.
Julia Postal's affidavit is dated December 4, 1963. Guess it took awhile to get the stories straight.
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