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Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions -- #232
« on: June 22, 2018, 11:21:12 PM »
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Disclaimer: I will no longer respond to any posts that are off topic and/or meant to derail the issue of the opening post. This should not be taken as me running, but instead seen as me keeping the topic on track.

I have no issue with any WC defender, therefore, I am happy to discuss the case in a manner that uses the actual evidence with them. IF the WC was correct in their final conclusion as they claim then this should be no problem for them.

I will not participate in any personal discussions with them as these are meant to distract and discredit instead of focusing on the JFK assassination. I come here to discuss and learn about the JFK assassination and nothing more.

No more games with the LNers. The LNers have to to discuss the WC's, HSCA's and ARRB's evidence or move along.

One would think IF the assassination occurred as the WC said then the LNers would welcome the opportunity to discuss and refute the posts in this series, but they seem more determined to have the posts stopped. I think that this shows that the WC's version of events is not correct.

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The Warren Commission (WC) said Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) shot and killed President John F. Kennedy (JFK) all by himself and that he had NO assistance from anyone else. They also stated that he INVOLVED no one else in his alleged plan, but as we have seen in many posts in this series this is contradicted by the numerous cases of advanced knowledge others seem to have had.

This post will look at another one—the incident of Rose Cheramie. I was not going to get into this just yet, but a thread popped up about her recently on this board so the time is now right for this. The focus of that thread seemed to be on the doctor she spoke with on the 25th of November, but the real issue is the things she said to Lieutenant Francis Fruge of the Louisiana State Police on November 20, 1963, that are relevant for us and this series.

Let’s look at these comments more and keep in mind that again someone seemed to have foreknowledge of the President being shot in Dallas on November 22, 1963. True, like many of the others profiled in this series, these comments don’t prove anything by themselves, but when we consider the avalanche (dare I say “mountain?”) of these many stories it is impossible for NONE of them to have NO relevance in this case. They can’t all be senial, insane, liars or “not credible” in my opinion.


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On November 20, 1963, Lieutenant (Lt.) Francis Fruge of the Louisiana State Police received a call from Moosa Memorial Hospital in Eunice, LA, regarding a patient they had. The woman had been in an accident and according to the hospital administrator, Mrs. Louise Guillory, she “seemed to be under the influence of drugs.” Lt. Fruge was part of the narcotics detail so he was the recipient of her call and request to come to the hospital.

He saw a woman who had no serious injuries, but she did have some bruises and abrasions, and she was only partially coherent. She would identify herself to him as Rose Cheramie (real name Melba Christine Marcades) and she had no insurance or means to pay for her hospital treatment. Given that Moosa Memorial was a private institution and could not keep her with no funds or insurance the decision was made to move her to the Eunice City Jail. Fruge would leave her in jail while he attended the annual ball for the Eunice Police Department (EPD), but only an hour into this he was informed that Cheramie was going through withdrawal symptoms.  Based on these symptoms Fruge called a local doctor and the decision was made to move her to the state hospital in Jackson, LA. Today of course, Moosa Memorial would come under fire for allowing a person who was in such shape to leave the hospital due to them having no funds or insurance, but it was a different world in 1963.

The House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) looked into this matter for us and published in their Volume X of exhibits. They start off with this description of her.


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According to the accounts of assassination researchers, a woman known as Rose Cheramie, a heroin addict and prostitute with a long history of arrests, was found on November 20, 1963, lying on the road near Eunice, La, bruised and disoriented. (HSCA X, p. 199)

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First of all, why does it have to be mentioned she was a prostitute? How does that change anything? The issue of her drug use is relevant as it could cause dementia and other issues, but whether she was a prostitute or not has NO relevance on this issue. It was degrading, and in my opinion, meant as a way to discredit her story. Secondly, why did the WC not do such a thorough job on Jim Braden’s background? Do you think that would have been relevant? I sure do.

I will fill in more details as the HSCA’s overview is lacking in some details as it cuts to the chase (and hurries to discredit her). Lt. Fruge would accompany Cheramie to the state hospital [NOTE: This was the same hospital Garrison said LHO tried to get a job with in the summer of 1963 while he was in Clinton with two men believed to be David Ferrie and Clay Shaw/Guy Banister. Is this just another in a long line of coincidences?] which was a one or two hour drive and on the way he began to ask her routine questions since she seemed more lucid than before. He said he got non-routine answers to his questions and the following is from his deposition for the HSCA.


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She related to me that she was coming from Florida to Dallas with two men that were Italians or who resembled Italians. They had stopped at this lounge…and they had a few drinks and had gotten into an argument or something. The manager of the lounge threw her out and she got on the road and hitchhiked to catch a ride, and this is when she got hit by a vehicle. (Lt. Frances Fruge HSCA deposition, p. 8 )

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She said they appeared to be Italian or Italian looking, but it should be kept in mind that Latin looking men could look Italian too and a group Cubans would fall into this category. The lounge owner, Mac Manual, told Fruge that he remembered this and that the two men were known as “pimps” and that the routinely brought prostitutes from Florida. Manual also told Fruge that when Cheramie had become intoxicated (was it this or was she drugged?) and rowdy, one of the men “slapped her around” and threw her outside. (JFK Document 0141414) Fruge said he showed the bar owner a stack of photographs of mug shots and asked Manual if he could identify any of them. According to Fruge, the bar owner chose the photo of  a Cuban exile by the name of Sergio Arcacha Smith, and another Cuban Manual believed to be named Osanto. (Ibid, pp. 28 & 30) The name Smith will be immediately known to those that have studied this case as he was the head of the New Orleans “Cuban Revolutionary Front” in 1961 and had been friends with David Ferrie. Both Smith and Ferrie were believed to have ties to Carlos Marcello (Mob boss for New Orleans) too. Smith moved from New Orleans in 1962 and moved to Miami, but he would windup in Houston later on. A connection between Cheramie and Smith would be very significant, but to date no one had really tried to find one. Of course Smith denied any connection.

While trying to hitch a ride she was struck by an automobile driven by Frank Odom. He would stop and take her to Moosa Memorial.

Fruge asked her what she was going to do in Dallas and she replied, “She was going to, number one, pick up some money, pick up her baby, and to kill Kennedy.” (Lt. Frances Fruge HSCA deposition, p. 13) Like anyone else he probably thought she went off the deep end at this time, but after the assassination he sought to question her more and did so.

He had to wait until Monday, November 25, 1963, but he went to the state hospital to see her and question her. Under questioning Cheramie said the following to him:


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1) That the two men traveling with her from Miami were going to Dallas to kill the President. (Lt. Frances Fruge HSCA deposition, p. 13)
2) She was to obtain $8,000 (worth $61, 068.70 today) from an unidentified source in Dallas and proceed to Houston with the two men to complete a drug deal. (Ibid, p. 14)
3) She was also supposed to pick up her little boy from friends who had been looking after him. (Ibid)
4) She said they were to stay at the Rice Hotel in Houston and meet a seaman who was bringing in 8 kilos of heroin to Galveston by boat. She had the name of the seaman and the boat he was arriving on, and once the deal was made they were to proceed to Mexico. (Ibid)

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One can’t read this stuff and NOT think of David Ferrie’s drive through the worst storm in history (up to that time) to get to Houston, can they? Was he to meet these folks and fly them to Mexico? The issue of heroin is an ironic issue as this was a mainstay product of Vietnam and many researchers have said that was the main reason for the whole war in the first place—access to top grade heroin. JFK was threatening this supply (and the potential of enormous amounts of money) in two ways. Firstly, he was saying we were leaving the country by the end 1965 in terms of fighting components, and thus, NO war could be fought. Secondly, he had supported French President Charles DeGaulle’s call for independence for Algeria (a French Colony for a long time) and this was the main point of shipment to Europe and the Americas for the drug suppliers. By giving them this independence this allowed the new government to root out all these drug dealers and upset a very lucrative drug cartel. Many were very angry about this and we see the result of this by the attempts on DeGaulle’s life and the killing of JFK as many of these players in this drug game have been mentioned in the murder of JFK over the years by researchers.

Finally, the trip to Mexico is intriguing as it seems quite a few folks flew there immediately after JFK’s demise (i.e. H. L. Hunt, General Walker, Pat Kirkwood, etc…) and that is where these folks were supposed to go.

On November 22, 1963, while watching television in the state hospital Cheramie again made remarks that were heard by several nurses. According to these witnesses she said, “…during the telecast moments before Kennedy was shot Rose Cheramie stated to them, ‘This is when it is going to happen’ and at that moment Kennedy was assassinated. The nurses, in turn, told others of Cheramie’s prognostication." (Memo of Frank Meloche to Louis Ivon, 5/22/67—Jim Garrison Investigation) These comments most likely were referring to reports regarding the update movements of the Presidential trip that circulated through the local channels since the motorcade itself was not televised. And of course, the assassination itself was reported on by network television almost immediately after it happened with CBS leading the way.

Fruge told the HSCA that he told his superiors about this and they told him to keep investigating and he did as well as take Cheramie into custody. He checked out the story of the drug deal and according to the chief customs agent in Galveston both the name of the boat and the seaman checked out. Supposedly, the customs agent had tailed the seaman when he got off the boat, but lost his trail, thus, they closed the case. But the fact there was a case at all would suggest they too suspected something was going on with that seaman and that boat.

Cheramie had told Fruge this as well.


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During a flight from Houston, according to Fruge, Cheramie noticed a newspaper with headlines indicating investigators had not been able to establish a relationship between Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald. Cheramie laughed at the headline, Fruge said. Cheramie had told him that she had worked for Ruby, or “Pinky”, as she knew him, at his night club in Dallas, and claimed Ruby and Oswald “had been shacking up for years.” (HSCA X, p. 202)

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Could this be possible? Fruge would later confirm the fact that she had worked as a stripper for Ruby, (Louisiana State Police report of 4/4/67.) so could they have had a relationship? IF not the LHO we know, how about the other Oswald if you believe in the “two LHO” theory? Remember, the New Orleans LHO was a member in the Civil Air Patrol with David Ferrie and no one can dispute that he was homosexual. It should be noted too that the HSCA cleaned up the comment as according to Fruge’s deposition she really said, “Them two queer sons-of-a-bitches. They’ve been shacking up for years." (Lt. Francis Fruge, HSCA deposition, p. 19)

We of course can’t support this stuff as the two major investigations did NOT bother to help us here, but these are legitimate questions that need answering to help us figure out the overall murder of JFK and who was behind it.

It should be noted that Fruge had his doubts too before the assassination about her claims as he said this in his HSCA deposition.


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When she came out with the Kennedy business, I just said, wait a minute, wait a minute, something wrong here somewhere.

Now, bear in mind that she talked: she’d talk for awhile, looks like the shots would have effect on her again and she’d go in, you know, she’d just get numb, and after awhile she’d just start talking again. (Lt. Francis Fruge, HSCA deposition, p. 9)

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But, by the time of the assassination she was very lucid and word spread through the hospital that she had predicted the assassination of JFK in advance. Beyond the nurses we have Dr. Wayne Owen (intern from LSU) who told the Madison Capital Times that he and other interns were told of the plot in ADVANCE of the assassination. Owen went on to say that Cheramie had told another intern that, "…that one of the men involved in the plot was a man named Jack Rubinstein." (2/11/68) Owen would go on to say, “We were all assured that something would be done about it by the FBI or someone. Yet we never heard anything." (Ibid.) Why was this NEVER checked out by the DPD or the FBI? How can the WC claim that they found the truth when they left so much unchecked?

Cheramie would tell Dr. Victor Weiss the following while by being interviewed by him.


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Rose revealed that she had worked as a drug courier for Jack Ruby. I believe she also mentioned that she worked in the night club for Ruby and that she was forced to go to Florida with another man whom she did not name to pick up a shipment of dope to take back to Dallas, that she didn’t want to do this thing but she had a young child and that they would hurt her child if she didn’t. (Memo of Frank Meloche to Jim Garrison, 2/23/67)

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If true, this shows Ruby had a relationship with men who might have been directly involved in the assassination. This is very important and it was never looked into for us by the WC or the HSCA. I wonder why? She had also said that the demise of JFK had come from “word in the underworld.” In America the term “underworld” had become synonymous with the Mafia. Obvously, the Mafia could not do this alone, but that was the area she would have knowledge of.

When Fruge asked his superior, Colonel Morgan, to call Captain Fritz of the Dallas Police Department (DPD) to update him on all of this he was told the following by Fritz. Here is what Fruge was told about the call.


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Colonel Morgan called Captain Fritz up from Dallas and told him what we had, the information that we had, that we had a person that had given us this information. And of course there again it was an old friend, and there was a little conversation. But anyway, when Colonel Morgan hung up, he turned around and told us they don’t want her. They’re not interested.

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How in the world could Fritz and the DPD NOT be interested in this when it showed possible ties between LHO and Ruby, ties between Cheramie and Smith, ties between Ruby and the mob, and foreknowledge of the murder of the President of the United States? Well, I guess IF you were NOT really looking for the truth why would you have an interest in these dangerous topics, right?

The strange death of Cheramie has only added fuel to the fire of her claims as she was found dead on a road on September 4, 1965. She had been run over by a car and it was later argued that this was done to hide a shot to the head she had been given first. We don’t know for sure as the Louisiana State Police said this about the incident, “Cheramie died of injuries received from an automobile accident on a strip of highway near Big Sandy, Texas, in the early morning of September 4, 1965. The driver stated Cheramie had been lying in the roadway and although he attempted to avoid hitting her, he ran over the top of her skull, causing fatal injuries. An investigation into the accident and the possibility of a relationship between the victim and the driver produced no evidence of foul play. The case was closed."

What the report failed to mention, and Jim Marrs covered in his book, was the address the driver of the automobile that hit her gave was searched and found to be NONEXISTENT! Fruge said he searched this address in Tyler, Texas, and found it had never been in existence. Surely, this is strange, isn’t it?

Whether you think she is credible or not, we have to accept what she said BEFORE the assassination and weigh it with what happened two days, and shortly, later. She was spot on in my opinion. She again gave us her limited view of the plan just like Milteer and others, but it still adds pieces to the puzzle. How many of these people can be wrong or liars? I have highlighted quite a few already, and there are more to come.

IF you want to disbelieve her story you have to say Lt. Francis Fruge was a liar as he told what he reported to the HSCA and that is the only way around it. Unfortunately for this tactic though, there are other witnesses to her prediction as well.

We again see evidence the WC did NOT bother to explore, thus, their conclusion is sunk.

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The Prediction of Rose Cherami

One of the sequences that opens Oliver Stone's JFK concerns a woman named Rose Cherami, who is depicted as trying to sound the alarm about the forthcoming assassination. It is strongly implied that Cherami (whose surname is commonly misspelled "Cheramie" in JFK conspiracy literature) possesses inside knowledge of an assassination conspiracy, and details some of this information before the President is killed.
Did Rose Cherami predict the JFK assassination? Who was Rose Cherami? Here are the facts.

Rose Cherami (born Melba Christine Youngblood) was a 41-year-old drug addict and prostitute who was picked up on Highway 190 near Eunice, Louisiana, on November 20, 1963 -- two days before the Kennedy assassination -- by Lt. Francis Frugé of the Louisiana State Police.(1) Cherami allegedly told Frugé that John F. Kennedy would shortly be killed.(2)

When Cherami began acting violently, it was determined she was suffering from narcotics withdrawal. She was taken to the East Louisiana State Hospital, a mental hospital, in nearby Jackson, where she was confined for several days.(3)

During her confinement, and prior to the time JFK was shot in Dallas, Cherami supposedly spoke of the impending assassination.(4) After Jack Ruby shot Lee Harvey Oswald, Cherami reportedly claimed that she had worked for Ruby as a stripper, that she knew both Ruby and Oswald, and that the two men were "bed partners" who "had been shacking up for years."(5)

According to a 1967 statement by Lt. Frugé, Cherami declined to repeat her story to the FBI.(6) She was killed when struck by a car on September 4, 1965, apparently while hitchhiking, near Gladewater, Texas.(7)

Among conspiracy theorists, the story has been considered quite credible since 1979, when an account by investigator Patricia Orr was published by the House Select Committee reviewing the JFK assassination (HSCA). This account was based primarily on the HSCA interviews of Francis Frugé and Victor Weiss, a doctor at the Jackson hospital.

The problem is that in accounts given by Frugé and Weiss to the New Orleans District Attorney's Office over a decade earlier, in 1967, there is no indication that Cherami had made any statements about the assassination prior to the time it occurred.

On the contrary, several 1967 accounts by Frugé state only that, following Cherami's November 26 release from the Jackson hospital, Cherami informed Frugé that she had worked for Ruby as a stripper, that Ruby and Oswald had been in Ruby's club together, and that the two were "good friends" and "bed partners."(8)

In 1967, Dr. Victor Weiss recalled speaking to Cherami in 1963, but stated he couldn't remember whether she had spoken of the assassination before or after it occurred.(9) (Had Weiss heard Cherami speak of the assassination before it occurred, surely he would have found this memorable.) He would later testify to the HSCA that he had not even been introduced to Cherami until November 25th: three days after the assassination. Although he hadn't mentioned it in 1967, he now claimed that he had heard about Cherami from a Dr. Bowers. The committee never bothered to contact Donn Bowers, who says that he heard about Cherami's statements from Weiss. "I never saw Rose Cherami," Bowers told researcher Robert Dorff.(10)

What Weiss told the HSCA also contradicts Frugé's 1978 testimony that Cherami had first-hand knowledge of an assassination conspiracy. On November 25th, Weiss said, Cherami "told him she had worked for Jack Ruby. She did not have any specific details of a particular assassination plot against Kennedy, but had stated the 'word in the underworld' was that Kennedy would be assassinated."(11)

New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison's office conducted interviews with East State Louisiana Hospital personnel, but couldn't come up with a single first-hand witness who heard Rose Cherami speak of the assassination before it occurred.(12)

Would Cherami have made a credible witness in the first place? It was never verified that she had ever worked for Jack Ruby, or that she was acquainted with either Ruby or Lee Harvey Oswald.(13) She claimed that she had been one of Ruby's strippers, but she was 41 years old and quite haggard. (See her 1964 mug shot, above.) And her alleged claim that Ruby and Oswald were "bed partners" who "had been shacking up for years" hardly speaks well for her credibility.

It also should be noted that in her short life, Rose Cherami was arrested over fifty times in ten different states for charges including larceny, auto theft, possession of narcotics, driving under the influence of narcotics, driving while intoxicated, prostitution, arson, vagrancy, drunk and disorderly behavior, and still other charges. She committed at least one documented suicide attempt, in 1947, was "believed to be insane" at that time, and was ruled "criminally insane" in 1961. She was institutionalized several times, with "psychotic" and "psychopathic" behavior noted. On several occasions she attempted to become a criminal informant, she was turned away because her information turned out to be false.(14)

Yet this is the "witness" with which Oliver Stone leads off his movie about the John F. Kennedy assassination.

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1. Frank Meloche, Memorandum to Jim Garrison, March 13, 1967. (Throughout her life, Cherami gave a variety of dates as her ostensible date of birth. October 23, 1923, is the date of birth entered on her death certificate, while the 1930 census lists it as one month later.) According to JFK's script, Cherami was thrown from a car by "two Cuban males," which implies that Cherami's associates were Cuban exiles linked to the assassination conspiracy detailed later in the movie. But in March 1967, Francis Frugé said that Cherami was "suppose[d] to have been thrown from a vehicle by two white males," while Frugé would tell the HSCA in 1978 that Cherami "related to me that she was coming from Florida to Dallas with men who were Italians or resembled Italians. [Emphasis added.] They had stopped at this lounge . . . and they'd had a few drinks and had gotten into an argument or something. The manager of the lounge threw her out and she got on the road and hitchhiked to catch a ride, and this is when she got hit by a vehicle." (House Select Committee Hearings Vol. X, p. 201.) Frugé said that Cherami told him "that the two men traveling with her from Miami were going to Dallas to kill the President. For her part, Cheramie [sic] was to obtain $8,000 from an unidentified source in Dallas and proceed to Houston with the two men to complete a drug deal." (Hearings Before the Select Committee on Assassinations, U.S. House of Representatives, 95th Congress, 2d session [Washington, DC: United States Government Printing Office, 1979], hereafter HSCA Hearings, Vol. X, pp. 201-02.)

The lounge (reportedly a brothel) where Cherami and her companions stopped was called the Silver Slipper. Lounge owner Mac Manual allegedly told Frugé in 1967 "that Cheramie [sic] had come in with two men who the owner knew as pimps engaged in the business of hauling prostitutes in from Florida." (HSCA Hearings Vol. X, p. 202.) According to Frugé's 1978 HSCA testimony (there is no official documentation to back him up), Manual identified photographs of two of Jim Garrison's suspects, Sergio Arcacha Smith and Emilio Santana, as the two men, although neither man had anything to do with prostitution.

Sergio Arcacha Smith was considered a suspect by Garrison primarily because he had once run an office to raise funds for anti-Castro activist groups out of a building whose address was later used by Lee Harvey Oswald on a pro-Castro leaflet (although Arcacha had moved out and left New Orleans over a year before Oswald arrived from Dallas). When questioned by the HSCA, Arcacha denied Cherami's allegations and denied knowing Cherami. He was living and working in Houston, Texas, at the time of the Cherami incident, and his employer told Jim Garrison's men that Arcacha was at work regularly that week and was with him the day of the assassination; he could hardly have been driving prostitutes from Miami to Dallas (a distance of 1300 miles) as Frugé would have us believe, much less "going to Dallas to kill the President."

Researcher Stephen Roy writes:

 

(Tony) Varona's choice for the position of New Orleans Delegate of the FRD [Frente Revolucionario Democrático] was a dapper man named Sergio Vicente Arcacha Smith. Born in Havana on January 22, 1923, Arcacha was already familiar with the United States and spoke English well. In April 1945 he came to the U.S. to attend college in Texas. In 1951 he returned to Cuba and secured employment with the Cuban diplomatic service. His first assignment took him to Bombay, India, where he met and married Sheila Duarte, a native of Pakistan. By 1954, Arcacha had left the diplomatic service and was working as the assistant manager of the Lago Hotel in Caracas, Venezuela. Over the next few years he lived in New York City and Miami, Florida before returning to Cuba. On August 23, 1960 Arcacha left Cuba for good, traveling first to New York, stopping in New Orleans, and arriving in Miami in late October. It was on November 11 that, in Sheila's words, Varona "sent Sergio to New Orleans as a Delegate of the Front without a penny."
Arcacha spent much of December 1960 getting set-up as the FRD delegate in New Orleans. Arcacha established his communications with the FRD Executive Committee through a post office box in Coral Gables, Florida, not far from the CIA's JMWAVE station. Deciding that it would be wise to keep the FBI in the loop about his activities, Arcacha and his assistant Manuel Eleuterio Quesada Castillo made contact with Special Agent Warren C. DeBrueys through another exile, Rolando Zubizarreta, and visited the New Orleans FBI office on December 5.

Arcacha announced his presence on December 6, 1960 as the New Orleans Delegate of the Frente Revolucionario Democratico. Arcacha stated the objective of the FRD as the overthrow of Castro, but added that the purpose of the New Orleans branch was simply to inform the public about “exactly what is happening in Cuba.” On December 21, the new FRD office was opened in Room 207 of the second floor of the Balter Building at 403 Camp Street, apparently acquired rent-free. Joining Arcacha in the office were Quesada and Francisco J. Uriate.

After hearing Arcacha's tame description of the planned activities of the FRD, FBI Special Agent DeBrueys was startled to learn that he contacted International Export Packers in New Orleans on December 23 and indicated that "the FRD was interested in obtaining bazookas and a small boat." Arcacha also felt that the FRD would need the assistance of an experienced public relations firm to present the right image for the organization, and he chose Martin L. McAuliffe Jr. for the task. One of McAuliffe's first accomplishments was to start a regular series of FRD press releases to the New Orleans media.

To help mobilize community support for the Frente Revolucionario Democratico, PR man McAuliffe arranged for Arcacha to visit with and address a series of civic groups. On January 5, 1961, the Cuban delegate spoke before the New Orleans Junior Chamber of Commerce, declaring that “Cubans will launch an invasion sometime in 1961 to overthrow the regime of Fidel Castro…Cuban citizens are being recruited by the Frente in this country and sent elsewhere to train for the invasion.” Arcacha estimated that complete victory would come after six months of fighting. Joining him in the presentation were Oscar Higgenbotham, former General Manager of the Central Espana Sugar Mills in central Cuba, and Carlos Marquez Diaz, former Cuban consul who was “removed when Castro came to power.” Marquez said that Castro has destroyed everything that represents decency and honesty in Cuba.”

 

Until the time Arcacha retired from anti-Castro activism and left New Orleans (under a cloud of financial mismanagement), he claims to have worked closely with Attorney General Robert Kennedy's covert direction of the anti-Castro movement. He described his relationship to RFK in a strictly off-the-record interview with Life magazine editor Richard Billings in 1967. "Off the record," he insisted, "because I do not want to involve Mr. Kennedy and do not think it would be right, we used to call Mr. Bobby Kennedy whenever we had anything to report or ask advice. He knew what we were doing all the time. But please don't use this, as it's off the record. That's the way it was. We would call Mr. Bobby Kennedy and he would take care of it." (Dick Billings' Internal Memo, Life Magazine, April 1967, cited in Gus Russo, Live by the Sword [Baltimore: Bancroft Press, 1998], p. 142.) Decades later Arcacha elaborated to Gus Russo, "Whenever we needed, for example to send arms to the camps in Nicaragua, I'd call Bobby. The next day it would be there." (Russo, p. 142.) Shortly after the assassination, Arcacha said he called RFK with his condolences. "Little was said," Arcacha noted. "Bobby was a broken man." (Russo, p. 382.)
In 1967 Garrison had Arcacha arrested in Texas for an alleged 1961 burglary in Louisiana and for concealing information on the JFK assassination. Arcacha submitted to a polygraph examination and denied any knowledge of a Kennedy conspiracy; the examiner concluded he was being truthful. (Note: While this author questions the reliability of polygraph tests in exposing deception, the willingness of a subject to submit to a polygraph examination might be considered by some to be contrary to a consciousness of guilt on his or her part.) According to Arcacha, he had his one and only face-to-face meeting with Robert Kennedy following the 1967 arrest. Close Kennedy associate Walter Sheridan (best known for leading the Justice Department's prosecution of Jimmy Hoffa for corruption) reportedly brought Arcacha to Washington, D.C. "We met in Senator Kennedy's office," Arcacha told Gus Russo. "Bobby had put me up in a penthouse for a week. He said to me, 'Sergio, I know none of your people killed my brother. Why is Garrison doing this [i.e., pursuing Cuban exiles]? You know that there is nobody in the world who wants to find out who killed Jack more than I." RFK declined to speak out publicly on Arcacha's behalf, however. "It would appear like I was covering up Garrison's investigation," he reportedly said. "I can't do that." Arcacha said that he left the meeting feeling disillusioned and saddened, thinking, "He's just another politician after all." (Russo, p. 410.)

Due to his harassment by Garrison, Arcacha ended up losing his job in Dallas, and he and his attorney received death threats. "It was horrible," Arcacha told Gus Russo. "It was very rough on our families." His attorney, Frank Hernandez, recalled, "We met our kids' principals and teachers in order to work out special arrangements for their safety. Cops patroled our neighborhood every 15 minutes." (Russo, p. 410.)

The other man allegedly identified from photographs as a Cherami associate, Emilio Santana, was considered a suspect by Jim Garrison primarily because he was Cuban and had once lived near Alvin Beauboeuf, an associate of Garrison suspect David Ferrie. Jim Garrison believed strongly in what he called "The Propinquity Factor" -- his theory that one could identify conspirators because they often lived near one another.

Conspiracy-oriented researcher Larry Hancock (Someone Would Have Talked) has studied the Cherami allegations as carefully as anyone, and his conclusion about Cherami's alleged foreknowledge and the culpability of the two men who apparently accompanied her on November 20, 1963, is that "given the information available it seems very unlikely that Rose actually heard anymore than some general gossip that was running through certain networks out of Miami. It[']s unlikely the two men with here [sic] had anything to do with the conspiracy and very unlikely that they were Arcacha Smith or Santana." (Larry Hancock, Intenet forum post, July 14, 2005, Emphasis added.) It is highly unlikely, Hancock adds, that Arcacha had anything to do with narcotics or prostitution:

 

First off, Mac Manual commented that he was very familiar with the two men as they had been routinely transporting prostitutes on the Miami to Texas route for an extended period of time; his terms suggest for at least a year if not longer. Arcacha's movements are fairly well known during the latter part of [19]62 and into [']63 as he first moved to Tampa and then to Galveston and on to Dallas. One of the reasons they are fairly well known is that he borrowed a car to go to Florida, did not return it in time and the car owner brought charges against him.
Regardless of that, he had been employed in Texas for several months in air conditioning sales and unless that was a cover for transporting prostitutes then it seems unlikely that he is a fit for one of Manual's two men. . . . Beyond that, I've found nothing in Arcacha's history (which is pretty detailed as a lot of people have looked into him) that suggests he would have been a small time gangster transporting prostitutes for an extended period in 1963.

 

2. House Select Committee Hearings Vol. X, p. 201.

3. Frank Meloche, Memorandum to Jim Garrison, March 13, 1967.

4. House Select Committee Hearings Vol. X, pp. 200-01.

5. Had seen Ruby and Oswald together: Frank Meloche, Memorandum to Jim Garrison, March 13, 1967. Had worked for Ruby as a stripper, Ruby and Oswald "bed partners": Lt. Francis Frugé, Memorandum to Jim Garrison, April 4, 1967. Ruby and Oswald "had been shacking up for years": HSCA Hearings, Vol. X, p. 202 (from Frugé's HSCA deposition).

6. Frank Meloche, Memorandum to Jim Garrison, March 13, 1967.

7. Frank Meloche, Memorandum to Jim Garrison, March 13, 1967.

8. Frank Meloche, Memorandum to Jim Garrison, March 13, 1967. Lt. Francis Frugé, Memorandum to Jim Garrison, April 4, 1967. George Rennar Interview with William Wood, a.k.a. Bill Boxley, 1971

9. Frank Meloche, Memorandum to Jim Garrison, March 13, 1967.

10. House Select Committee Hearings Vol. X, p. 200. Weiss testified that Bowers told Weiss about Cherami's remarks on November 25, 1963.

Dr. Donn Bowers's name was known to Jim Garrison's investigators in 1967, but there is no evidence that the New Orleans District Attorney's Office or the HSCA sought to interview him. Researcher Robert Dorff interviewed Dr. Bowers in 2002, and Bowers wrote a letter for Dorff to read at the JFK Lancer organization's November in Dallas 2003 convention. I quote from it here, transcribed from the DVD of Dorff's November in Dallas Conference presentation.

Referring to Dr. Weiss's allegation that Bowers had told Weiss that Rose Cherami had predicted the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Bowers wrote:

Dr. Weiss’s statement is untrue. I was not at the hospital on Monday, November the 25th. I spent that day working at my regular job at the Baptist Hospital in New Orleans, Louisiana. My regular tenure at East Louisiana State Hospital ended in July, 1963, when I moved to New Orleans and commenced work at the Baptist Hospital in that city. I worked weekdays Monday through Friday. On weekends I would drive to Jackson to earn extra money working in the medical division at the East Louisiana State Hospital.
I never saw Rose Cherami and only found out about her allegations on Sunday, November the 24th, 1963, during a dove hunting engagement with Dr. Weiss. It was he who told me what she allegedly told Weiss and possibly others. I was never contacted by anyone from the House Select Committee on Assassinations.

When I began getting telephone calls from assassination researchers informing me about the statements attributed to me, as memorialized [in Weiss's HSCA testimony], I called Dr. Weiss and asked him why he had said these things. Weiss rebuffed my inquiry and flatly refused to discuss it. I found that very odd as I had known and respected him for many years. I still cannot understand why he made those statements.

On mature reflection I recalled that, during our dove hunting foray on Sunday, November the 24th, Dr. Weiss told me about Cherami’s allegations. That was the first time I heard any of this. I remember that incident because, while driving back to New Orleans that day, I heard on the radio that Oswald had been shot in the basement of the Dallas Police Department. Years later I personally reviewed Rose Cherami’s hospital records at the East Louisiana State Hospital and was unable to find any reference to her alleged remarks about an impending assassination of President Kennedy.

I’m sorry I was unable to attend the JFK Lancers [sic] forum in Dallas and hope this letter makes clear that I had no contact with Rose Cherami.

Sincerely,

Donn E. Bowers, MD

 
In a March 2, 2017, email to myself and several dozen prominent researchers, I was very gratified to hear from Anthony Summers, who informed me that Donn Bowers' statement and my research into the Cherami story had convinced him that the tale was no longer worthy of serious consideration. Summers wrote:
 

I had not until now seen Dave's take on the Cherami matter, and am very impressed by it. As I wrote a couple of days ago [in another email], my misgivings on the subject were sufficient to drop it from the 2013 edition of my book on the case -- it had previously been only a footnote.
My continuing interest in the episode had been sustained especially by Dr. Weiss' comment as to what Dr. Bowers had told him. Absent any interview with Bowers -- that I knew of - what Weiss said seemed to sustain the possibility that there was something to the overall story. Now that we have Bowers' account, that possibility seems to evaporate. I now lean towards the likelihood that - though Francis Frugé appeared forthright during his conversations with me -- he too may have fabricated or at least garbled.

I think the Cherami episode should now be consigned to the junkpile - as a red herring that one could well do without.

 

11. House Select Committee Hearings Vol. X, pp. 200-01.

12. This does not stop author Jim DiEugenio from citing several hearsay accounts as evidence of such foreknowledge, even when such accounts are easily debunked. For example, DiEugenio cites a Madison Capital Times report that Louisiana State University intern Wayne Owen and several others "were told of the plot [by Cherami] in advance of the assassination." (Jim DiEugenio, "Rose Cheramie [sic]: How She Predicted the JFK Assassination," Probe, Vol. 6, No, 5, July-August 1999.) However, the New Orleans Times-Picayune of February 3, 1968, clarifies that Owen and his fellow students had simply, at a later date, heard a hearsay account of the Cherami story from an unnamed professor of theirs at LSU Medical School. DiEugenio also claims that several "witnesses" reported that Cherami was watching television with some nurses, and "during the telecast moments before Kennedy was shot Rose Cheramie [sic] stated to them, ‘This is when it is going to happen’ and at that moment Kennedy was assassinated. The nurses, in turn, told others of Cheramie’s [sic] prognostication." DiEugenio is incorrect in citing "witnesses," however; the source of his information is third-hand hearsay -- a rumor -- allegedly reported to Lt. Francis Frugé by an unnamed party three and a half years later. Frugé told the NODA that he would be driving to Jackson the following day to investigate. There is no further mention of the story in the NODA's "Rose Cheramie" file. (Frank Meloche, Memorandum to Louis Ivon, May 22, 1967.) (As DiEugenio acknowledges, there was no live television coverage of the Dallas motorcade or the assassination.)

Author Joan Mellen, a personal friend of Jim Garrison, presents an even more sensational version of the "This is when it is going to happen" story, complete with partially fabricated dialogue:

 

On Friday, November 22nd, at twenty minutes before noon, Rose was watching television in the hospital recreation area. Scenes in Dallas flashed on the screen. President Kennedy was on his way.
"Somebody's got to do something!" Rose shouted. "They're going to kill the president!" No one paid any attention. The motorcade pulled into view. "Watch!" Rose cried out. "This is when it's going to happen! They're going to get him at the underpass!"

"POW!" Rose yelled as the shots rang out. (Joan Mellen, A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK's Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History [Washington, D.C.: Potomac Books, 2005], p. 206.)

 

In similarly imaginative fashion, Mellen goes on to claim that "Rose Cheramie's [sic] death certificate reads 'bullet hole in the head . . ." (Mellen, p. 207.) Cherami's death certificate says no such thing; it lists the immediate cause of death as "Tramautic Head wound with Subdural & subarachnoid & Petechial Hemorrhage to the brain caused by being struck by auto." An autopsy was performed. (Certificate of Death, Melba Christine Marcades [a.k.a. Rose Cherami], State of Texas.)
Dr. Cyril Wecht, the longtime coroner of Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, and a prominent, national expert in forensic pathology (and vociferous Warren Commission critic), studied the hospital records of Cherami's death and, while he found the description of her wounds (specifically, the notation of “deep punctate stellate type lacerations posted over the right side of her forehead”) somewhat confusing, concluded, "There is nothing to suggest a gunshot wound or any other kind of penetrating injury.” (Cyril Wecht, August 29, 2001, letter to Robert Dorff, quoted in Dorff's presentation at the JFK Lancer November in Dallas Conference 2003, DVD, JFK Lancer Co.)

13. In his Memorandum to Jim Garrison of April 4, 1967, Frugé claimed he had verified that Cherami had worked for Ruby, but there is no evidence to this effect, and there is no evidence that either the New Orleans District Attorney's Office (in 1967) or the House Select Committee (in 1978) requested or obtained such evidence.

14. Dave Reitzes, "Impeaching Clinton, Part Two: Jackson."

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As to "What the report failed to mention, and Jim Marrs covered in his book, was the address the driver of the automobile that hit her gave was searched and found to be NONEXISTENT! Fruge said he searched this address in Tyler, Texas, and found it had never been in existence"

A memo from one of Garrison's investigators, Frank Meloche, to the Jolly Green Giant says, "I verified the above accident and death through LT. SHAWLS of the State Police. The investigator [sic] officer was Texas State Trooper J. A. ANDREWS, 918 Sucess Street, Gilmer, Texas, telephone TI 3-2654.the driver of the vehicle [that killed Cheramie] was JERRY DON MOORE, 1425 E. Erwin Street, Tyler, Texas."

Just plug "1425 East Erwin Street" into Google Maps. Google seems to think it exists. The address is now home to "Araujo's Warehouse," and from the street view, it looks like that address has been there for a while.
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Cherami reportedly claimed that she had worked for Ruby as a stripper, that she knew both Ruby and Oswald, and that the two men were "bed partners" who "had been shacking up for years."

A stripper huh?
  Has anyone ever seen a picture of Rosie?

 

 

  Ruby and Oswald together? Or perhaps a look alike Oswald?
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On November 20, 1963, Lieutenant (Lt.) Francis Fruge of the Louisiana State Police received a call from Moosa Memorial Hospital in Eunice, LA, regarding a patient they had. The woman had been in an accident and according to the hospital administrator, Mrs. Louise Guillory, she “seemed to be under the influence of drugs.” Lt. Fruge was part of the narcotics detail so he was the recipient of her call and request to come to the hospital.

He saw a woman who had no serious injuries, but she did have some bruises and abrasions, and she was only partially coherent. She would identify herself to him as Rose Cheramie (real name Melba Christine Marcades) and she had no insurance or means to pay for her hospital treatment. Given that Moosa Memorial was a private institution and could not keep her with no funds or insurance the decision was made to move her to the Eunice City Jail. Fruge would leave her in jail while he attended the annual ball for the Eunice Police Department (EPD), but only an hour into this he was informed that Cheramie was going through withdrawal symptoms.  Based on these symptoms Fruge called a local doctor and the decision was made to move her to the state hospital in Jackson, LA. Today of course, Moosa Memorial would come under fire for allowing a person who was in such shape to leave the hospital due to them having no funds or insurance, but it was a different world in 1963.

The House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) looked into this matter for us and published in their Volume X of exhibits. They start off with this description of her.


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According to the accounts of assassination researchers, a woman known as Rose Cheramie, a heroin addict and prostitute with a long history of arrests, was found on November 20, 1963, lying on the road near Eunice, La, bruised and disoriented. (HSCA X, p. 199)

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First of all, why does it have to be mentioned she was a prostitute? How does that change anything? The issue of her drug use is relevant as it could cause dementia and other issues, but whether she was a prostitute or not has NO relevance on this issue. It was degrading, and in my opinion, meant as a way to discredit her story. Secondly, why did the WC not do such a thorough job on Jim Braden’s background? Do you think that would have been relevant? I sure do.




What if the shoe was on the other foot?

What if, a known prostitute reported to the police, that Oswald had come to her and after an encounter with her, bragged to her that he was going to kill the President two days later? But that the Warren Commission withheld the information from the public. That they only stated that a ‘Rose Chermie’ told them a couple days after the assassination that she overheard Oswald state on Wednesday that he was going to kill the President. And it only later came out that ‘Rose Cheramie’ was a prostitute.

CTers would say that Warren Commission was withholding information about a witness, to make her seem more credible, wouldn’t they?



So, the general rule is, if the WC or the HSCA discloses information about a Pro-Lone-Nut witness being a prostitute, they are needlessly revealing information that is designed to discredit that witness. But if the WC or HSCA were to try to hid information about a Pro-Conspiracy witness being a prostitute, they are withholding information that may warn observers that this witness should not be trusted.


Question:

Had the Warren Commission or the HSCA found a witness who make statements that support the notion that Oswald was the lone assassin, but they also know the witness was a prostitute, should they reveal or withhold this information?


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The LNers are trying very hard to make this go away, but it won't. Cheramie was heard to predict the assassination several times BEFORE it happened. That can't just be explained away.

As I said in the OP, if this was the only case of foreknowledge it would be interesting, but it isn't. There are many others and I have covered a number of them so far with more to come.

The LNers can try to muddy the waters all they want, but the main point is IF LHO was the sole assassin as claimed then how in the world could so many people have an idea that JFK was going to be assassinated?
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The LNers are trying very hard to make this go away, but it won't. Cheramie was heard to predict the assassination several times BEFORE it happened. That can't just be explained away.

As I said in the OP, if this was the only case of foreknowledge it would be interesting, but it isn't. There are many others and I have covered a number of them so far with more to come.

The LNers can try to muddy the waters all they want, but the main point is IF LHO was the sole assassin as claimed then how in the world could so many people have an idea that JFK was going to be assassinated?

Since you've stumbled on Reitzes' cache of Garrison-era Fruge' documents, kindly point us to the one where Fruge' says that he heard Cheramie talk about the assassination before Nov 26, 1963?

By the way, go look at the Fruge' doc you linked to. In it, you'll find that he wrote:"It should be noted that Hwy. #155 is a Farm to Market Road, running parallel to US Hwys. #271 and #80. It is our opinion, from experience, that if a subject was hitch-hiking, as this report wants to indicate, that this DOES NOT run true to form. It is our opinion that the subject would have been on one of the US Highways." TX 155 does not run parallel to both US 271, and it only runs roughly parallel to 271 between Tyler and Longview. After that, 271 runs north and 155 continues NE to Texarkana. Fruge' couldn't even use a simple road map. And 155 is the shortest main route between Tyler and Texarkana, which implies how she wound up there.

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A stripper huh?
  Has anyone ever seen a picture of Rosie?

 

 





C'mon that's a bit mean, it says "sha had been a stripper" which was probably a few decades earlier.

To put it into perspective here's Ruby's headline act Janet Conforto aka JADA.





And here's a few others, being a Nightclub owner certainly has it's perks.









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C'mon that's a bit mean, it says "sha had been a stripper" which was probably a few decades earlier.

A few decades? When did Ruby start his night club business anyway? The Roaring 20s?


 


 
 

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A few decades? When did Ruby start his night club business anyway? The Roaring 20s?





Chill out, It was a joke , Joyce!

Btw your maths isn't very good.



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