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Online Joe Elliott

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Re: New Article by Steve Barber on the Dictabelt Tape
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2018, 04:20:17 AM »
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Seems like you passed wind and left the room. Are you not able to answer the question about Thomas' claim of multiple examples of crosstalk?
You cannot avoid insulting someone who did not insult you?
Actually, Steve Barber is our expert on the Dictabelt recording. I think I can give good estimates on the speed of the limousine at any time, and the angular speed of the target from the sniperís nest or anywhere else. But I donít know a lot about the Dictabelt recordings.
My impression is that cross talk was not uncommon. So, I donít see the relevance of Thomas claiming multiple examples of crosstalk.
Now, if Thomas can point out a single instant where a Channel 1 recording was offset by a minute from the Channel 2 recording, that would be of interest. That could explain why the Ďgunshotsí seemed to have been recorded a minute after the real assassination.
Question:
Has Thomas found such a case?

And just a few quibbles I have about the acoustic case.
The Dictabelt recording system was still in use in the 1970ís when the acoustic experts ran their tests at Dealey Plaza. They could have had a motorcycle recording the recreations of the shots as they were recorded on the Dictabelt machine. Recreating what they alleged happened in 1963, a motorcycle with a stuck button in Dealey Plaza (and not somewhere else, like the Trade Mart Center) recorded the gunshots.But the acoustic experts failed to do so.
Had they done so, we would have Dictabelt recordings of the gunshot recreations.
I always found it strange that the Dictabelt did not record audible gunshots. Yes, I know the experts claim that we should not expect to, because the system was not designed to do this. Had the acoustic experts done this, we would not have to wonder if it would record audible shots or not. We would definitely know. However, I am expected to give the acoustic experts the benefit of the doubt and assume that the Dictabelt would not record audible gunshots, when it is their fault that we do not have definitive proof.
Also, making a Dictabelt recording may have shown that the gunshots recorded on one Channel could be offset from the other Channel by up to a minute. Had the acoustic experts utilized the Dictabelt system, we might know for certain that the gunshots could be offset by a minute from other simultaneous voice recordings. However, once again, I am expected to give the acoustic experts the benefit of the doubt and assume that the two Channels could be offset by up to a minute, when it is their fault that they bypassed a chance to prove this assertion.
And it should be noted, that some of the Dallas police recalled that the Dictabelt system did record audible gunshots during the acoustic tests of the 1970ís. But for some reason did not in 1963. Which is yet another reason to have severe doubts about the acoustic findings.

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Re: New Article by Steve Barber on the Dictabelt Tape
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2018, 04:20:17 AM »


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Re: New Article by Steve Barber on the Dictabelt Tape
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2018, 06:24:25 AM »
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You cannot avoid insulting someone who did not insult you?
Actually, Steve Barber is our expert on the Dictabelt recording. I think I can give good estimates on the speed of the limousine at any time, and the angular speed of the target from the sniperís nest or anywhere else. But I donít know a lot about the Dictabelt recordings.
My impression is that cross talk was not uncommon. So, I donít see the relevance of Thomas claiming multiple examples of crosstalk.
Now, if Thomas can point out a single instant where a Channel 1 recording was offset by a minute from the Channel 2 recording, that would be of interest. That could explain why the Ďgunshotsí seemed to have been recorded a minute after the real assassination.
Question:
Has Thomas found such a case?

And just a few quibbles I have about the acoustic case.
The Dictabelt recording system was still in use in the 1970ís when the acoustic experts ran their tests at Dealey Plaza. They could have had a motorcycle recording the recreations of the shots as they were recorded on the Dictabelt machine. Recreating what they alleged happened in 1963, a motorcycle with a stuck button in Dealey Plaza (and not somewhere else, like the Trade Mart Center) recorded the gunshots.But the acoustic experts failed to do so.
Had they done so, we would have Dictabelt recordings of the gunshot recreations.
I always found it strange that the Dictabelt did not record audible gunshots. Yes, I know the experts claim that we should not expect to, because the system was not designed to do this. Had the acoustic experts done this, we would not have to wonder if it would record audible shots or not. We would definitely know. However, I am expected to give the acoustic experts the benefit of the doubt and assume that the Dictabelt would not record audible gunshots, when it is their fault that we do not have definitive proof.
Also, making a Dictabelt recording may have shown that the gunshots recorded on one Channel could be offset from the other Channel by up to a minute. Had the acoustic experts utilized the Dictabelt system, we might know for certain that the gunshots could be offset by a minute from other simultaneous voice recordings. However, once again, I am expected to give the acoustic experts the benefit of the doubt and assume that the two Channels could be offset by up to a minute, when it is their fault that they bypassed a chance to prove this assertion.
And it should be noted, that some of the Dallas police recalled that the Dictabelt system did record audible gunshots during the acoustic tests of the 1970ís. But for some reason did not in 1963. Which is yet another reason to have severe doubts about the acoustic findings.

Calm down Joe, it was a metaphorical fart reference. Your original post refers to an article by Steve Barber. I assumed you read it. I also assumed you were aware of Dr Thomas' recent presentation that refers to the crosstalk issue and its implications for the offset.

Thanks for your reply.

I shall await for further developments.

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Re: New Article by Steve Barber on the Dictabelt Tape
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2018, 07:34:32 AM »
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Calm down Joe, it was a metaphorical fart reference. Your original post refers to an article by Steve Barber. I assumed you read it. I also assumed you were aware of Dr Thomas' recent presentation that refers to the crosstalk issue and its implications for the offset.

Thanks for your reply.

I shall await for further developments.
We should hear from Steven Barber at some point on your question.

On another issue, it should have been obvious to the HSCA acoustic experts that people would doubt that the sound impulses were recordings of gunshots, because they donít sound like gunshots. Other recording devices record the sound of gunshots and the recordings do sound like gunshots or at least audible bangs. And none of these recording devices were designed to pick up the sounds of gunshots, but they still do so with no problem.
Question:
Why didnít the acoustic experts use the Dictabelt system to record the sounds of their acoustic tests back in the 1970ís, when they could have done so?

Had they do so, we would know, beyond all doubt, that the Dictabelt system would only record sound impulses, but not audible bangs.

Question:
Have the acoustic experts ever given an explanation on why this was not done?


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Re: New Article by Steve Barber on the Dictabelt Tape
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2018, 07:34:32 AM »