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Offline Michael Walton

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #10 on: June 10, 2018, 07:58:25 PM »
A government committee hand-picked by LBJ got it wrong in 1964.

A government committee got it right in 1978.

It's always amazing to me that no LNer ever mentions the '78 conclusion.  It's always the '64 conclusion, all of the time.

The '78 conclusion, though ultra-conservative in its conclusion, did it's job.  Yes, it could have gone much, much further but did not. The '78 committee was started because the Church hearings in DC were started.  Those hearings were started because the population was outraged that a never-before-seen copy of the Z film was shown nationwide. That film showed that someone taking a high-powered bullet to the back of the head is not slinged backward as seen in the film, as if someone pushed the front of their head backward.  It was basic common sense and all-too-obvious.

As Thompson said, who cares what Bugliosi wrote - or anyone for that matter?

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Offline Mitch Todd

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2018, 08:52:42 PM »
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A government committee hand-picked by LBJ got it wrong in 1964.

A government committee got it right in 1978.

It's always amazing to me that no LNer ever mentions the '78 conclusion.  It's always the '64 conclusion, all of the time.

The '78 conclusion, though ultra-conservative in its conclusion, did it's job.  Yes, it could have gone much, much further but did not. The '78 committee was started because the Church hearings in DC were started.  Those hearings were started because the population was outraged that a never-before-seen copy of the Z film was shown nationwide. That film showed that someone taking a high-powered bullet to the back of the head is not slinged backward as seen in the film, as if someone pushed the front of their head backward.  It was basic common sense and all-too-obvious.

As Thompson said, who cares what Bugliosi wrote - or anyone for that matter?

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The HSCA was about to come to the same conclusion as the WC until the Weiss/Aschkenasy report came out. The problem is, the W/A report is wrong. Steve Barber's discovery of the "hold everything" message created two fatal problems for WA study. The first is timing: we know from the context of the message itself that it came after the last shot was fired. The second is a little more esoteric. The 95% probability that Weiss and Aschkenasy calculated for the GK shot was based on an assumption that the "impulses" on the DPD recording could either be shots or just random noise. The crosstalk sits on top of the "shots" and introduces a possibility that WA didn't consider, that the "shots" are part of the Decker crosstalk. That alone invalidates the WA 95% number. Without a valid acoustic study to support a GK gunman, the HSCA report simply amplifies on the WC.
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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #12 on: June 10, 2018, 09:03:00 PM »
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The HSCA was about to come to the same conclusion as the WC until the Weiss/Aschkenasy report came out. The problem is, the W/A report is wrong. Steve Barber's discovery of the "hold everything" message created two fatal problems for WA study. The first is timing: we know from the context of the message itself that it came after the last shot was fired. The second is a little more esoteric. The 95% probability that Weiss and Aschkenasy calculated for the GK shot was based on an assumption that the "impulses" on the DPD recording could either be shots or just random noise. The crosstalk sits on top of the "shots" and introduces a possibility that WA didn't consider, that the "shots" are part of the Decker crosstalk. That alone invalidates the WA 95% number. Without a valid acoustic study to support a GK gunman, the HSCA report simply amplifies on the WC.

I think I understand that, without the dictabelt which is proven faulty, HSCA and WR are very similar.

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #13 on: June 10, 2018, 09:17:06 PM »
Go by your own eyes please.  I have an extremely graphic video that I could share with you on here that shows two men, taking a high-powered bullet to the back of the head and NEITHER of them are slinged backward. Taking away all of the scientific mumbo-jumbo (jet effect, acoustics, etc.) this is more than enough proof - at least for me - to me that someone taking a shot from the rear does not suddenly be slinged backward.  It doesn't make sense and if you're honest with yourself after seeing it, it should put doubt into even the most rabid LNer.

I would post it for educational purposes only here but I do not know if the admins would allow it and I don't know who to ask. When I posted it many months ago on EF, some people were shocked but nothing was reported.  Then months later a member there, Stancak, got xxxxxx because I kept rebutting his stupid PM long-leg theory. When he came across the video, he suddenly became ultra-sensitive ("oh my goodness") and reported it.  Then, irony of ironies, he posts Kennedy's graphic autopsy photos.

If you want to see for yourself, email me.

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2018, 09:22:37 PM »
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A government committee hand-picked by LBJ got it wrong in 1964.

A government committee got it right in 1978.

It's always amazing to me that no LNer ever mentions the '78 conclusion.  It's always the '64 conclusion, all of the time.

The '78 conclusion, though ultra-conservative in its conclusion, did it's job.  Yes, it could have gone much, much further but did not. The '78 committee was started because the Church hearings in DC were started.  Those hearings were started because the population was outraged that a never-before-seen copy of the Z film was shown nationwide. That film showed that someone taking a high-powered bullet to the back of the head is not slinged backward as seen in the film, as if someone pushed the front of their head backward.  It was basic common sense and all-too-obvious.

As Thompson said, who cares what Bugliosi wrote - or anyone for that matter?

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Please explain what conspiracy the "'78 conclusion" uncovered.

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2018, 09:24:59 PM »
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Go by your own eyes please.  I have an extremely graphic video that I could share with you on here that shows two men, taking a high-powered bullet to the back of the head and NEITHER of them are slinged backward. Taking away all of the scientific mumbo-jumbo (jet effect, acoustics, etc.) this is more than enough proof - at least for me - to me that someone taking a shot from the rear does not suddenly be slinged backward.  It doesn't make sense and if you're honest with yourself after seeing it, it should put doubt into even the most rabid LNer.

I would post it for educational purposes only here but I do not know if the admins would allow it and I don't know who to ask. When I posted it many months ago on EF, some people were shocked but nothing was reported.  Then months later a member there, Stancak, got xxxxxx because I kept rebutting his stupid PM long-leg theory. When he came across the video, he suddenly became ultra-sensitive ("oh my goodness") and reported it.  Then, irony of ironies, he posts Kennedy's graphic autopsy photos.

If you want to see for yourself, email me.

A bullet striking the head from the right-front would not throw the body back and to the left.

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2018, 09:31:09 PM »
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Please explain what conspiracy the "'78 conclusion" uncovered.

It's in the link, Bill.

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We simply do not know how a body reacts to shots to the head, Bill. I choose to believe that a frontal shot pushed his head backward and people down on the street ran up to the knoll area.  They didn't do that because they were sight seeing. *Something* made them run up there.


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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2018, 10:01:52 PM »
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It's in the link, Bill.

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We simply do not know how a body reacts to shots to the head, Bill. I choose to believe that a frontal shot pushed his head backward and people down on the street ran up to the knoll area.  They didn't do that because they were sight seeing. *Something* made them run up there.

Again, a shot from the right-front does not throw the head and body violently back and to the left.


The link you provided stated the following...

"The committee believes, on the basis of the evidence available to it, that President John F. Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy. The committee is unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy."

The HSCA had no idea what sort of conspiracy existed, if any at all.

This doesn't even mention their faulty conclusion based on the supposed rifle fire caught on the dictabelt recording, even though the impulses were recorded once the motorcade was on it's way to Parkland Hospital.

You wish to claim that the HSCA "got it right", yet you claim, based on your opinion on the way the body went back and to the left, that the President was struck by a shot from the knoll.  The HSCA stated that the President was struck twice, both from behind and both from above.  it sounds like you're contradicting yourself.
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Offline Mitch Todd

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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2018, 10:42:30 PM »
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Go by your own eyes please.  I have an extremely graphic video that I could share with you on here that shows two men, taking a high-powered bullet to the back of the head and NEITHER of them are slinged backward. Taking away all of the scientific mumbo-jumbo (jet effect, acoustics, etc.) this is more than enough proof - at least for me - to me that someone taking a shot from the rear does not suddenly be slinged backward.  It doesn't make sense and if you're honest with yourself after seeing it, it should put doubt into even the most rabid LNer.

I would post it for educational purposes only here but I do not know if the admins would allow it and I don't know who to ask. When I posted it many months ago on EF, some people were shocked but nothing was reported.  Then months later a member there, Stancak, got xxxxxx because I kept rebutting his stupid PM long-leg theory. When he came across the video, he suddenly became ultra-sensitive ("oh my goodness") and reported it.  Then, irony of ironies, he posts Kennedy's graphic autopsy photos.

If you want to see for yourself, email me.

It all pretty much ended right here: "Taking away all of the scientific mumbo-jumbo."  Because who needs all that pesky physics and physiology, anyway? We don't need that! We have a video from the internet! All one of it! Because nothing proves impossibility like a single data point.

And yes, I'm channeling the inner sarcast from deep within my soul. A great, dark hairy beast with sharp claws, big teeth, and the Helen Reddy Boxed Set.

 


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Re: Bugliosi's "Conclusion of No Conspiracy"
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2018, 11:00:49 PM »
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A bullet striking the head from the right-front would not throw the body back and to the left.

A bullet striking a head moving forward at approximately 11mph, (the speed of the limo), would/could stop

forward movement and create the appearance of being thrown backward. Add in the back brace that held

JFK upright after the throat wound and the probability of a shot from the right front buries the idea a LN

fired from the 6th floor SE corner TSBD. 

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