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Online Jerry Freeman

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« Reply #50 on: June 13, 2018, 07:32:44 PM »
Again you avoid the question. A day ago you asked:

 Can you explain how a cranky old bolt action carcano could be fired so rapidly that the incoming shots sounded like "flurry of shots".....

Uhhhhh...had some trigger work done?

 
 

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Offline Bill Chapman

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« Reply #51 on: June 13, 2018, 07:42:50 PM »
Kellerman's testimony re 'flurry of shells'

"... a flurry of shells come into the car"

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh2/html/WC_Vol2_0041b.htm
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Offline Matt Grantham

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« Reply #52 on: June 13, 2018, 08:04:15 PM »
If you really wish to waste the time, go ahead and point out anything I stated which you feel I should be embarrassed about.

You guys confused a "flurry of shells" with a flurry of shots.  That is nothing for me to be embarrassed over.

 First off I mentioned in an earlier post that I missed your distinction I do have to wonder what your thought process is on this quote. Maybe you had a grudge about someone making a literal translation of some earlier quote that you thought was absolutely ridiculous and this was your way of getting back? Your continuing  refusal to even address whether you actually believe Kellerman  meant the literal translation you are insisting upon, also raises serious questions about what your intention is in this matter

 And now, thanks to Rob, I come to find out you are actually incorrect. At least in claiming there was no quote from Kelleraman saying a flurry of shots Now it may be there was a separate quote of flurry of shots but that is not what you were arguing So your wrong plain and simple. I was browsing around a bit and came across a quote that you always admit you are wrong when it is shown to you. I am not into apologies, if someone admits that they were wrong is generally good enough for me

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« Reply #53 on: June 13, 2018, 08:14:53 PM »
First off I mentioned in an earlier post that I missed your distinction I do have to wonder what your thought process is on this quote. Maybe you had a grudge about someone making a literal translation of some earlier quote that you thought was absolutely ridiculous and this was your way of getting back? And rather than addressing whether you actually believe Kellerman actually meant the literal translation you are insisting upon

 And now, thanks to Rob, I come to find out you are actually incorrect. Man your going to come up with a whooper absurdity and it is not even true. I am not into apologies, if someone admits that they were wrong is generally good enough for me

 This was a classic scenario for Bill Chapman would clearly rise in the defense of

Kellerman was full of XXXX The only thing that there was a flurry of was bullet fragments, brain matter and bone. He threw Greer under the bus. He made up a story about Kennedy saying something in a Boston accent. Why you waste time on crap like this only solidifies the fact that you're a sorry argumentative whinebag.

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« Reply #54 on: June 13, 2018, 08:21:21 PM »
Kellerman was full of sh*t. The only thing that there was a flurry of was bullet fragments, brain matter and bone. He threw Greer under the bus. He made up a story about Kennedy saying something in a Boston accent. Why you waste time on crap like this only solidifies the fact that you're a sorry argumentative whinebag.

 Usually when you want to discredit a quote one either implies the person being quoted has a flawed personal history, or would have had a motivation to lie You demonstrated neither

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« Reply #55 on: June 13, 2018, 08:38:27 PM »
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« Reply #56 on: June 13, 2018, 08:48:31 PM »
What am I supposed to be finding?

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« Reply #57 on: June 13, 2018, 08:59:08 PM »
A new home.

 Clever I guess Certainly a well played distraction from your problems

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Offline Bill Brown

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« Reply #58 on: June 13, 2018, 11:36:42 PM »
Aah, what's this?

Mr. KELLERMAN. But after the flurry of shots, I recall her saying, "What are they doing to you?" Now again, of course, my comparison of the voice of her speech--certainly, I have heard it many times, and in the car there was conversation she was carrying on through shock, I am sure.

Are you being dishonest again?

The portion of Kellerman's testimony which was relevant to Walt Cakebread's post (the post which started this whole thing) has Kellerman saying "flurry of shells".

Later in his testimony, when referring to something he heard Jackie say just after the shooting, Kellerman does say "flurry of shots".

In a conversation I had with Bob Harris years ago, he and I were discussing Kellerman's testimony and his reference to a "flurry of shells".

Earlier in this thread when I claimed that Kellerman did not say a flurry of shots, I was going by memory, knowing that he said "a flurry of shells".  Obviously I should have read Kellerman's entire testimony before claiming that he never used the phrase "a flurry of shots".

While I believe that the relevant portion of his testimony which applied to Cakebread's post (which I was replying to) has him saying "a flurry of shells", Kellerman does later say "a flurry of shots" and therefore, I was incorrect in claiming that Kellerman never said "flurry of shots".

Offline John Mytton

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« Reply #59 on: June 13, 2018, 11:53:28 PM »


Kellerman's SS report a week later.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/sa-kelle.htm

One shot.

We were still traveling at the normal rate of speed of from 12 to 15 miles per hour when I heard a noise, similar to a firecracker, exploding in the area to the rear of the car, about 12:30 p.m.

And two more.

Immediately I heard what I firmly believe was the President's voice, "My God, I'm hit!" I turned around to find out what happened when two additional shots rang out, and the President slumped into Mrs. Kennedy's lap and Governor Connally fell_to Mrs. Connally's lap. I heard Mrs. Kennedy shout, "What are they doing to you?"

Equals three!



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