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How Have The LNers Done?

The LNers have supplied supporting evidence for the WC claim.
8 (80%)
The LNers have NOT supplied supporting evidence for the WC claim.
0 (0%)
The LNers have NOT even attempted to supply supporting evidence for the WC claim.
0 (0%)
There is NO supporting evidence for the WC claim.
2 (20%)
Other (Please explain in a post)
0 (0%)

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Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2018, 02:55:29 AM »
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You said LNers voted against you because we are being dishonest. That sounds like you only want to engage with those that agree with you. Perhaps you should try a strictly CT forum.

More falsehoods. I want LNers to cite SUPPORTING evidence for the WC claim that they endorse so wholeheartedly. The title of the series is pretty clear.

For the record there are no strictly CT forums as some claim to be CTers, but they aren't.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #21 on: June 14, 2018, 05:08:50 PM »
EIGHT LNers voted that they have provided supporting evidence for the WC claim in this thread. 😅🤣😂😀😃

Can anyone point me to it? Talk about total dishonesty.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #22 on: June 15, 2018, 07:55:20 AM »
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The Warren Commission's claim is indeed supported.  Just look at the evidence.

Oswald ordered the revolver under the name of A.J. Hidell on 1/27/63 from Seaport Traders, Inc.  Treasury Department handwriting expert Alwyn Cole testified that the handwriting on the order coupon belonged to Lee Oswald.  The FBI's handwriting expert James Cadigan also testified that the handwriting on the coupon was Oswald's.

On the order, there was the name of a D.F. Drittal, written in the section where a witness states that the person buying the weapon (Hidell) was a U.S. citizen and was not a felon.  The handwriting experts, Cole and Cadigan, both testified that the name D.F. Drittal was also written in Oswald's hands.

The revolver was shipped to a post office box in Dallas rented by Lee Oswald.  Cole testified that the signature and the handwriting on the post office box application belonged to Oswald.

Postal Inspector Harry Holmes testified that Oswald had previously rented a post office box in New Orleans, during the summer of 1963.  Oswald's New Orleans application and his Dallas application were found.  Unlike the Dallas post office box application, the New Orleans post office box application still had the portion which listed others who were able to receive mail at that post office box.  In the New Orleans application, Oswald included the names of both Marina Oswald and A.J. Hidell as those able to receive mail in that box.

Holmes spoke with Oswald on Sunday morning, the 24th.  Holmes asked Oswald about the Dallas post office box.  Oswald stated that he was the only one who received mail at that box and that he didn't receive any mail there that was addressed to any name other than his true name.  Holmes then asked Oswald about the box that Oswald rented in New Orleans earlier that year.  Oswald again stated that he was the only one permitted to receive mail at that p.o. box.  Holmes reminded Oswald that he (Oswald) had listed Marina Oswald as a person eligible to receive mail in that box.  Oswald's reply was basically "Well so what?  She was my wife and I see nothing wrong with that."  Holmes then reminded Oswald that one "A.J. Hidell" was also listed in the section on the application listing others eligible to receive mail in that post office box.  Holmes said that Oswald replied "I don't recall anything about that".

Oswald was caught in a lie.  The handwriting which permitted A.J. Hidell to receive mail at the New Orleans post office box belonged to Lee Oswald (per experts Cole and Cadigan).


CE-135
Mail order coupon in the name of "A. Hidell" in Lee Oswald's handwriting:


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Handwriting interpretation is subjective. It is the opinion of the examiner not scientific fact.

A contradictory opinion can be had for a fee.

Hard to do though when the defendant is murdered/lynched while in police custody and has no legal

representation.

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Give an example of a court case where the handwriting identification by two highly experienced experts was successfully countered by a paid expert for the defense.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #23 on: July 10, 2018, 10:23:50 PM »
Cadigan based his opinion on two (different) letter Ds and one number 5.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2018, 10:46:54 PM »
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Cadigan based his opinion on two (different) letter Ds and one number 5.


Mr. EISENBERG. And that would be Cadigan Exhibit No. 12.
(The document referred to was marked Cadigan Exhibit No. 12.)
Mr. EISENBERG. This was taken by you or under your supervision?
Mr. CADIGAN. Yes.
Mr. EISENBERG. It is an accurate photograph of Exhibit No. 135?
Mr. CADIGAN. It is.
Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Cadigan, did you compare Commission Exhibit No. 135 with the standard or known writings of Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mr. CADIGAN. Yes; I did.
Mr. EISENBERG. What was your conclusion as to the origin of 135?
Mr. CADIGAN. That it was written by Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. EISENBERG. And can you give some of the reasons that led you to form that conclusion?
Mr. CADIGAN. Yes; here again, it is the presence of the same combination of individual handwriting characteristics, both handwriting and handprinting.
For example, again the wording "Dallas, Texas," is handprinted on Cadigan Exhibit No. 12, and the same characteristics appear in the same wording on Cadigan Exhibits Nos. 9, 7, 6, and 8. The formation of the individual letters on Cadigan Exhibit No. 12, the spacing of the letters, the proportions of the letters, were found to be the same as on the known standards.
Additionally, the capital letter "D" in the name "Drittal" on Cadigan Exhibit No. 12 has a rather unusual appearance in the upper portion of the letter in that it is very pointed and wedge-shaped, and I found this same shape present on the reverse side of the passport application on Cadigan Exhibit No. 10, page 2 in the word "Dec."
Again, I noted the rather long tail or ending stroke on the number "5" in the address portion of this exhibit. Again, based on finding the same combination of individual handwriting habits in the questioned and known writings, I concluded that Commission Exhibit No. 135 was written by Lee Harvey Oswald.












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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2018, 10:56:53 PM »
The only evidence cited by the LNers actually shows a weapon DIFFERENT from CE 143 would have been ordered if the order form is legitimate. And that is a big if.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2018, 11:03:56 PM »
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For example, again the wording "Dallas, Texas," is handprinted on Cadigan Exhibit No. 12, and the same characteristics appear in the same wording on Cadigan Exhibits Nos. 9, 7, 6, and 8. The formation of the individual letters on Cadigan Exhibit No. 12, the spacing of the letters, the proportions of the letters, were found to be the same as on the known standards.

That's meaningless.  What letters?  What proportions?  What standards?

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2018, 11:06:46 PM »
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The revolver was shipped to a post office box in Dallas rented by Lee Oswald.

This is flat out false.  Railway Express didn't ship anything to PO boxes.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #28 on: July 10, 2018, 11:10:32 PM »
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That's meaningless.  What letters?  What proportions?  What standards?


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That's meaningless.

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What letters?

DALLAS TEXAS

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What standards?

the same characteristics appear in the same wording on Cadigan Exhibits Nos. 9, 7, 6, and 8.



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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2018, 05:26:43 PM »
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the same characteristics appear in the same wording on Cadigan Exhibits Nos. 9, 7, 6, and 8.

LOL.  The words "Dallas, Texas" don't appear on exhibit 9 at all (which is why you conveniently left it out of your above post), and as you aptly showed, the "Dallas, Texas" on exhibit 6 looks nothing like the order coupon.

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« Reply #29 on: July 11, 2018, 05:26:43 PM »