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How Have The LNers Done?

The LNers have supplied supporting evidence for the WC claim.
8 (80%)
The LNers have NOT supplied supporting evidence for the WC claim.
0 (0%)
The LNers have NOT even attempted to supply supporting evidence for the WC claim.
0 (0%)
There is NO supporting evidence for the WC claim.
2 (20%)
Other (Please explain in a post)
0 (0%)

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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2018, 02:51:23 AM »
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The Warren Commission's claim is indeed supported.  Just look at the evidence.

Oswald ordered the revolver under the name of A.J. Hidell on 1/27/63 from Seaport Traders, Inc.  Treasury Department handwriting expert Alwyn Cole testified that the handwriting on the order coupon belonged to Lee Oswald.  The FBI's handwriting expert James Cadigan also testified that the handwriting on the coupon was Oswald's.

On the order, there was the name of a D.F. Drittal, written in the section where a witness states that the person buying the weapon (Hidell) was a U.S. citizen and was not a felon.  The handwriting experts, Cole and Cadigan, both testified that the name D.F. Drittal was also written in Oswald's hands.

The revolver was shipped to a post office box in Dallas rented by Lee Oswald.  Cole testified that the signature and the handwriting on the post office box application belonged to Oswald.

Postal Inspector Harry Holmes testified that Oswald had previously rented a post office box in New Orleans, during the summer of 1963.  Oswald's New Orleans application and his Dallas application were found.  Unlike the Dallas post office box application, the New Orleans post office box application still had the portion which listed others who were able to receive mail at that post office box.  In the New Orleans application, Oswald included the names of both Marina Oswald and A.J. Hidell as those able to receive mail in that box.

Holmes spoke with Oswald on Sunday morning, the 24th.  Holmes asked Oswald about the Dallas post office box.  Oswald stated that he was the only one who received mail at that box and that he didn't receive any mail there that was addressed to any name other than his true name.  Holmes then asked Oswald about the box that Oswald rented in New Orleans earlier that year.  Oswald again stated that he was the only one permitted to receive mail at that p.o. box.  Holmes reminded Oswald that he (Oswald) had listed Marina Oswald as a person eligible to receive mail in that box.  Oswald's reply was basically "Well so what?  She was my wife and I see nothing wrong with that."  Holmes then reminded Oswald that one "A.J. Hidell" was also listed in the section on the application listing others eligible to receive mail in that post office box.  Holmes said that Oswald replied "I don't recall anything about that".

Oswald was caught in a lie.  The handwriting which permitted A.J. Hidell to receive mail at the New Orleans post office box belonged to Lee Oswald (per experts Cole and Cadigan).


CE-135
Mail order coupon in the name of "A. Hidell" in Lee Oswald's handwriting:


Handwriting interpretation is subjective. It is the opinion of the examiner not scientific fact.

A contradictory opinion can be had for a fee.

Hard to do though when the defendant is murdered/lynched while in police custody and has no legal

representation.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #10 on: June 09, 2018, 02:51:23 AM »


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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #11 on: June 09, 2018, 03:35:52 AM »
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The Warren Commission's claim is indeed supported.  Just look at the evidence.

Oswald ordered the revolver under the name of A.J. Hidell on 1/27/63 from Seaport Traders, Inc.  Treasury Department handwriting expert Alwyn Cole testified that the handwriting on the order coupon belonged to Lee Oswald.  The FBI's handwriting expert James Cadigan also testified that the handwriting on the coupon was Oswald's.

On the order, there was the name of a D.F. Drittal, written in the section where a witness states that the person buying the weapon (Hidell) was a U.S. citizen and was not a felon.  The handwriting experts, Cole and Cadigan, both testified that the name D.F. Drittal was also written in Oswald's hands.

The revolver was shipped to a post office box in Dallas rented by Lee Oswald.  Cole testified that the signature and the handwriting on the post office box application belonged to Oswald.

Postal Inspector Harry Holmes testified that Oswald had previously rented a post office box in New Orleans, during the summer of 1963.  Oswald's New Orleans application and his Dallas application were found.  Unlike the Dallas post office box application, the New Orleans post office box application still had the portion which listed others who were able to receive mail at that post office box.  In the New Orleans application, Oswald included the names of both Marina Oswald and A.J. Hidell as those able to receive mail in that box.

Holmes spoke with Oswald on Sunday morning, the 24th.  Holmes asked Oswald about the Dallas post office box.  Oswald stated that he was the only one who received mail at that box and that he didn't receive any mail there that was addressed to any name other than his true name.  Holmes then asked Oswald about the box that Oswald rented in New Orleans earlier that year.  Oswald again stated that he was the only one permitted to receive mail at that p.o. box.  Holmes reminded Oswald that he (Oswald) had listed Marina Oswald as a person eligible to receive mail in that box.  Oswald's reply was basically "Well so what?  She was my wife and I see nothing wrong with that."  Holmes then reminded Oswald that one "A.J. Hidell" was also listed in the section on the application listing others eligible to receive mail in that post office box.  Holmes said that Oswald replied "I don't recall anything about that".

Oswald was caught in a lie.  The handwriting which permitted A.J. Hidell to receive mail at the New Orleans post office box belonged to Lee Oswald (per experts Cole and Cadigan).


CE-135
Mail order coupon in the name of "A. Hidell" in Lee Oswald's handwriting:


Baloney. It was never supported that LHO ever used the alias A.J. Hidell. Furthermore, CE 135 shows that LHO would NOT have ordered a .38 S&W Special. You have to claim once again that LHO received a weapon that he did NOT order. Sure.

You have the matter of the C.O.D..Can you show that LHO paid this?

Then of course you have to explain how a weapon addressed to A.J Hidell would be delivered to LHO when he NEVER listed such a person to receive mail there. Well?

Finally, isn't it odd that LHO would allegedly spend more on a pistol than a rifle? Especially when you LNers claim he purchased the rifle to kill EAW and JFK.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #12 on: June 09, 2018, 03:38:47 AM »
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Sour grapes. And why did so few CTers even show up to vote, Rob? Get over yourself.

Still unable to focus on the topic, huh? Why are you here when you never want to discuss the evidence?

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2018, 03:42:45 AM »
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Handwriting interpretation is subjective. It is the opinion of the examiner not scientific fact.

A contradictory opinion can be had for a fee.

Hard to do though when the defendant is murdered/lynched while in police custody and has no legal

representation.

Give an example of a court case where the handwriting identification by two highly experienced experts was successfully countered by a paid expert for the defense.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #14 on: June 09, 2018, 03:55:09 AM »
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Give an example of a court case where the handwriting identification by two highly experienced experts was successfully countered by a paid expert for the defense.

There is no other court case where the defendant was murdered/lynched while in custody and then not

allowed legal representation while being skewered in front of a Kangaroo Court.  Well actually there is but I

don't speak Russian or Chinese.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2018, 04:12:44 AM »
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There is no other court case where the defendant was murdered/lynched while in custody and then not

allowed legal representation while being skewered in front of a Kangaroo Court.  Well actually there is but I

don't speak Russian or Chinese.

What does that have to do with the question at hand? You claimed that handwriting interpretation is subjective. That it is the opinion of the examiner not scientific fact, and a contradictory opinion can be had for a fee.

Give an example of a court case where the handwriting identification by two highly experienced experts was successfully countered by a paid expert for the defense.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2018, 04:19:34 AM »
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What does that have to do with the question at hand? You claimed that handwriting interpretation is subjective. That it is the opinion of the examiner not scientific fact, and a contradictory opinion can be had for a fee.

Give an example of a court case where the handwriting identification by two highly experienced experts was successfully countered by a paid expert for the defense.

Not gonna happen.

That's your 2nd post on the subject.

Obviously it struck a nerve.

Nothing I posted is untrue.

Do your own research.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2018, 04:30:15 AM »
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What does that have to do with the question at hand? You claimed that handwriting interpretation is subjective. That it is the opinion of the examiner not scientific fact, and a contradictory opinion can be had for a fee.

Give an example of a court case where the handwriting identification by two highly experienced experts was successfully countered by a paid expert for the defense.


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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2018, 04:33:56 AM »
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Bill Brown sprains his ear jumping into the conversation.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2018, 04:36:18 AM »
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Still unable to focus on the topic, huh? Why are you here when you never want to discuss the evidence?

You said LNers voted against you because we are being dishonest. That sounds like you only want to engage with those that agree with you. Perhaps you should try a strictly CT forum.
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« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2018, 04:36:18 AM »