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How Have The LNers Done?

The LNers have supplied supporting evidence for the WC claim.
8 (80%)
The LNers have NOT supplied supporting evidence for the WC claim.
0 (0%)
The LNers have NOT even attempted to supply supporting evidence for the WC claim.
0 (0%)
There is NO supporting evidence for the WC claim.
2 (20%)
Other (Please explain in a post)
0 (0%)

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Online Rob Caprio

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For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« on: June 04, 2018, 06:17:35 PM »
Disclaimer: I will no longer respond to any posts that are off topic and/or meant to derail the issue of the opening post. This should not be taken as me running, but instead seen as me keeping the topic on track.

I have no issue with any WC defender, therefore, I am happy to discuss the case in a manner that uses the actual evidence with them. IF the WC was correct in their final conclusion as they claim then this should be no problem for them.

I will not participate in any personal discussions with them as these are meant to distract and discredit instead of focusing on the JFK assassination. I come here to discuss and learn about the JFK assassination and nothing more.

No more games with the LNers. The LNers have to to discuss the WC's, HSCA's and ARRB's evidence or move along.

One would think IF the assassination occurred as the WC said then the LNers would welcome the opportunity to discuss and refute the posts in this series, but they seem more determined to have the posts stopped. I think that this shows that the WC's version of events is not correct.

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The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) ordered a .38 S&W Special revolver, but failed to supply any evidence supporting this claim. They further claimed that the weapon was delivered to his Dallas P.O. Box, but again failed to support this claim with evidence.

It is up to you LNers to do this. Cite your supporting evidence for the WC's claim.

By the way, LNers voting that they have provided supporting evidence for the WC claim is NOT the same as actually providing supporting evidence.

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For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« on: June 04, 2018, 06:17:35 PM »


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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2018, 12:20:08 AM »
Still no response from the LNers when they were anxious to discuss this in the previous post in this series. Hmm.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2018, 09:03:23 PM »
 Well, it seems that the LNers have NO supporting evidence for the WC claim. Thus, they are shutting up. 👍

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2018, 03:31:52 AM »
Why did the LNers fight a losing battle over the alleged pistol order when they cannot even show that CE 143 was delivered to LHO's Dallas P.O. Box?

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #4 on: June 08, 2018, 04:12:39 AM »
 Walk:

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #5 on: June 08, 2018, 04:23:18 AM »
The LNers are sunk on this issue. They are all in lifeboats. 🚣

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2018, 04:37:04 PM »
They believe that CE 143 was delivered to Oswald because he shot Tippit with it.  And they believe he was the one who shot Tippit because CE 143 was delivered to him.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2018, 05:11:21 PM »
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They believe that CE 143 was delivered to Oswald because he shot Tippit with it.  And they believe he was the one who shot Tippit because CE 143 was delivered to him.

Circular logic at its best. They are sunk because there is the matter of the C.O.D. for the alleged pistol order. The pistol would not have been delivered WITHOUT payment, and yet, that is exactly what the WC claimed and its supporters argue.

If I am incorrect then they should put forth their supporting evidence.

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2018, 12:18:19 AM »
The Warren Commission's claim is indeed supported.  Just look at the evidence.

Oswald ordered the revolver under the name of A.J. Hidell on 1/27/63 from Seaport Traders, Inc.  Treasury Department handwriting expert Alwyn Cole testified that the handwriting on the order coupon belonged to Lee Oswald.  The FBI's handwriting expert James Cadigan also testified that the handwriting on the coupon was Oswald's.

On the order, there was the name of a D.F. Drittal, written in the section where a witness states that the person buying the weapon (Hidell) was a U.S. citizen and was not a felon.  The handwriting experts, Cole and Cadigan, both testified that the name D.F. Drittal was also written in Oswald's hands.

The revolver was shipped to a post office box in Dallas rented by Lee Oswald.  Cole testified that the signature and the handwriting on the post office box application belonged to Oswald.

Postal Inspector Harry Holmes testified that Oswald had previously rented a post office box in New Orleans, during the summer of 1963.  Oswald's New Orleans application and his Dallas application were found.  Unlike the Dallas post office box application, the New Orleans post office box application still had the portion which listed others who were able to receive mail at that post office box.  In the New Orleans application, Oswald included the names of both Marina Oswald and A.J. Hidell as those able to receive mail in that box.

Holmes spoke with Oswald on Sunday morning, the 24th.  Holmes asked Oswald about the Dallas post office box.  Oswald stated that he was the only one who received mail at that box and that he didn't receive any mail there that was addressed to any name other than his true name.  Holmes then asked Oswald about the box that Oswald rented in New Orleans earlier that year.  Oswald again stated that he was the only one permitted to receive mail at that p.o. box.  Holmes reminded Oswald that he (Oswald) had listed Marina Oswald as a person eligible to receive mail in that box.  Oswald's reply was basically "Well so what?  She was my wife and I see nothing wrong with that."  Holmes then reminded Oswald that one "A.J. Hidell" was also listed in the section on the application listing others eligible to receive mail in that post office box.  Holmes said that Oswald replied "I don't recall anything about that".

Oswald was caught in a lie.  The handwriting which permitted A.J. Hidell to receive mail at the New Orleans post office box belonged to Lee Oswald (per experts Cole and Cadigan).


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Mail order coupon in the name of "A. Hidell" in Lee Oswald's handwriting:

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2018, 01:06:10 AM »
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Disclaimer: I will no longer respond to any posts that are off topic and/or meant to derail the issue of the opening post. This should not be taken as me running, but instead seen as me keeping the topic on track.

I have no issue with any WC defender, therefore, I am happy to discuss the case in a manner that uses the actual evidence with them. IF the WC was correct in their final conclusion as they claim then this should be no problem for them.

I will not participate in any personal discussions with them as these are meant to distract and discredit instead of focusing on the JFK assassination. I come here to discuss and learn about the JFK assassination and nothing more.

No more games with the LNers. The LNers have to to discuss the WC's, HSCA's and ARRB's evidence or move along.

One would think IF the assassination occurred as the WC said then the LNers would welcome the opportunity to discuss and refute the posts in this series, but they seem more determined to have the posts stopped. I think that this shows that the WC's version of events is not correct.

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The Warren Commission (WC) claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald (LHO) ordered a .38 S&W Special revolver, but failed to supply any evidence supporting this claim. They further claimed that the weapon was delivered to his Dallas P.O. Box, but again failed to support this claim with evidence.

It is up to you LNers to do this. Cite your supporting evidence for the WC's claim.

By the way, LNers voting that they have provided supporting evidence for the WC claim is NOT the same as actually providing supporting evidence.

Sour grapes. And why did so few CTers even show up to vote, Rob? Get over yourself.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2018, 01:20:00 AM by Bill Chapman »

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Re: For LNers -- Put Up Or Shut Up -- #4 (Pistol Delivery)
« Reply #9 on: June 09, 2018, 01:06:10 AM »