Oswald's Shirt

[Walt Cakebread]

A link to her FBI statement on 11- 26 confirming the above....
https://i0.wp.com/www.prayer-man.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/FBI-Affidavait-R-Reid-NOv-26-1963.jpg
** Now why did David Belin ask her that? What was this obsession with CE 150?

Was this former landlady Bledsoe lying about the shirt?If Walt is right... We need to find what we can to verify that LHO changed his shirt.
In the scribbled notes of Will Fritz ...Oswald said he did change his shirt...

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=29103#relPageId=7&tab=page

We have CE 150


   and then CE 151 In color  here....
 

 

We also have CE 152...Also in color


 Whaley states [in his 2nd Warren Commission appearance] that he hadn't really paid much attention at first but it all came back to him and he was able describe everything to a T  [WOW]
CE 152 is kind of reddish brownish maybe with wide silver stripes
But it looks like an ugly pajama top and it's really doubtful that Oswald would wear it in public
Sorry about the really enlarged pictures but I don't know how to redo this

Oswald claimed that he was wearing at work..and described what was later to become CE 151 exactly..precisely.. at his interrogation and then said he changed into shirt [CE 150]
Why would he lie about it? If he had any inkling that there was something incriminating about his morning shirt..than he would have certainly changed out of it and got rid of it.
What a fake news crock of crap!
By December first of that year it seems that reporters were free to write anything they wanted  
 

A 12-1 article in the Washington Star by Jerry O'Leary, a writer more than friendly with the FBI's Deke DeLoach, and someone upon whom the FBI regularly relies to get their stories before the public, declares: "PIECE OF OSWALD'S SHIRT FOUND SNAGGED IN RIFLE." It then goes on to claim "A fragment of Lee Harvey Oswald's shirt was snagged in the rifle that killed President John F. Kennedy, the FBI report of the assassination states. Disclosure of this evidence against the 24 year-old Oswald, himself slain two days after Mr. Kennedy's death, is regarded as one of the most solid pieces of evidence of his guilt. Officials said wisps of brown shirt material were caught in metal parts of the 6.5 mm Italian-made carbine found on the fifth floor of the Texas School Book Depository Building a few minutes after the fatal shots were fired on November 22. When Oswald was arrested two hours later, he was wearing a brown shirt of the same material. Oswald claimed he had changed his shirt in his rooming house after leaving the assassination area, but this proved to be untrue. FBI Crime Lab technicians determined by microscopic and other scientific means that the fragment of shirt material came from the shirt the ex-Marine was wearing."

Thank you for posting the above.....   As you've pointed out it was "fake news"....( more accurately  it's a damned lie) which was used to convict an innocent man in the eyes of the gullible public. (Keep in mind and remember that this is the work of J.Edgar Hoover)

Lee told the interrogators on Saturday 11/23/63 that he went to his room and changed his clothes ( confirmed by Mrs Roberts) On page 626 of WR Secret Service inspector Kelley says that Lee told him that he went to his room and changed his clothes. 

Quote..."He said he went home, changed his shirt and trousers,put his shirt in a drawer. This was a red shirt, and he put it with his dirty clothes. He described the shirt as having a button down collar and of a reddish color. The trousers were grey colored"...unquote

On page 622 FBI Agent James Bookhout's report for that same interrogation on 11/23/63 ...Bookhout writes ..

Quote..."He changed his shirt and trousers because they were dirty.  He described his dirty clothes as being a reddish colored, long sleeved, shirt WITH A BUTTON DOWN COLLAR, and grey colored trousers. He indicated that he had placed these articles of clothing in the lower drawer of his dresser"  ...unquote   

Clearly Lee was simply telling the interrogators the truth.....and mentioning the detail about the reddish colored shirt had a BUTTON DOWN COLLAR was a simple detail that would blow the whole damned lie because the LNer liars deny that Lee changed his shirt......and they claim the shirt he was wearing at the theater ( the arrest shirt)  was the same shirt he was wearing at the TSBD at the time of the murder.   There are dozens of photo that show Lee wearing the arrest shirt after he was dragged from the theater, and that shirt does NOT have a button down collar.

The cops searched Lee's room at about 4:00 pm on 11/22/63 and they found the reddish colored shirt and grey trousers in the dresser just as Lee said THE NEXT DAY 11/23/63.   The  Potts exhibit lists the items that were taken from Lee room and Detective Potts described the shirt.

Clearly the tuft of fibers on the butt of the rifle was a major blunder by the authorities who were framing Lee Oswald....

The fools rubbed the butt of the rifle on the shirt,and snagged the tuft of fibers, after they took the shirt from Lee's back  ...but they failed to realize that the shirt was NOT the shirt Lee had been wearing at the time of the murder.

[Walt Cakebread]

~snip~

"Mr. BELIN - What about when you saw him in the School Book Depository Building, does this look familiar as anything he was wearing, if you know?

Mr. BAKER - I couldn't say whether that was--it seemed to me it was a light-colored brown but I couldn't say it was that or not."

~snip~



Mr. DULLES - Do you recall whether or not he was wearing the same clothes, did he appear to you the same when you saw him in the police station as when you saw him in the lunchroom?
Mr. BAKER - Actually just looking at him, he looked like he didn't have the same thing on.
Mr. BELIN - He looked as though he did not have the same thing on?
Mr. BAKER - He looked like he did not have the same on.

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~snip~

"The first indication of this change is from LHO, via a FBI report dated November 25, 1963, which the WC would mark as Commission Exhibit (CE) 1988. On page 19 of this report we see the following statement:

Quote on

He stated that after arriving at his apartment, he CHANGED his shirt and trousers because they were dirty. He described his dirty clothes as being a reddish colored, long sleeved, shirt with a button-down collar and gray colored trousers. (Emphasis added)"

http://historymatters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0019a.htm

~snip~

Thank you for posting the information, Gary.

A word of warning to the students investigating this shirt aspect....LBJ's Special Select Cover Up Committee realized very early that the "investigators"  ( FBI and DPD) had made a major bungle in trying to make it appear that Lee had had the carcano against his shoulder while he was wearing the shirt that he was wearing at the time of his arrest.

They had caused the rifle to become "proof" that Lee was guilty by snagging a tuft of fiber from the arrest shirt with the butt of the rifle.....  Except....  OOOOPS!!   Wrong shirt!! 

[Jerry Freeman]

   
        The Bus Transfer

   According to the Warren Report [and all it's faithful parrots] Lee Oswald planned the assassination of Pres Kennedy. However, it seems to rest of the world that he did rather poorly planning his 'escape'. He had to assume he needed to escape..right? Why not take a bus? A bus? Really, a city bus?
Why not something dynamic like steal or hijack a car?
Oh that's right, Oswald didn't drive.



The bus transfer was reported to have been taken from Oswald's dark brown shirt pocket by Detective Lt Day of the Dallas PD.
It looks brand new! No apparent creases, wrinkles or folds from a shirt that was involved in a knock down drag out scuffle with a gang of cops.
However, National Archivist Steve Hamilton confirmed that the bus transfer has a crease in the middle, indicating that it had at one time been folded. One guy? I would like to see it for myself. But probably it is there now.
No need to go into the entire bus story here. We are all familiar with it.
Oswald himself provided details that were confirmed by witnesses of the 'getaway'.
Feel free to bring up particulars.
In the old failed archives of last year, Walt Cakebread brought up some unique aspects.
Unfortunately they disappeared and perhaps we can bring them back.

The point presently is that if LHO went back and changed shirts, then he must have taken the transfer from his dirty light reddish brown shirt and put it in the dark reddish brown shirt.
Why would he do that? He apparently didn't plan on using it.
But if he needed to escape and get away quickly, why not use the transfer and take another bus?
Instead, [according to 'history'] he went into a panic and strolled away aimlessly
 
FBI guys  Kelley and Bookhout, wrote that Oswald removed a reddish-colored, long-sleeved shirt with a button down collar and placed it in the lower drawer of his dresser.
A minor slip there, the reddish colored shirt did not have a button down collar.
Conjecture...Mary Bledsoe did see Oswald on the bus but her testimony was changed to accommodate his wearing CE 150 and not the shirt he said he actually wore that morning.
Bledsoe, Whaley and another witness [a Mr Jones-bus passenger] all remembered that Oswald wore light colored grey pants on the bus and taxi. Oswald told Capt. Fritz that he had changed his dirty trousers (light colored grey pants) in his room. When arrested, Oswald was wearing very dark pants. His dirty light colored grey pants were later found in his room by police. How could Bledsoe and Jones and Whaley have known Oswald was wearing light grey pants on the bus/taxi unless they had actually seen him?

I was wrong about cab driver Whaley earlier...he was hauled before the Warren Commission THREE times...not just two.
 Apr 8 1964....

Mr. BELIN. You previously testified before the Commission in Washington, is that correct?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. Now before you came to Washington, did you and I ever meet?
Mr. WHALEY. Your face is familiar, sir. I still can't tell you whether I knew you here, or in Washington, or where?
Mr. BELIN. Let me ask you this.
Mr. WHALEY. You refresh my memory.
Mr. BELIN. I will try to refresh your memory here. When did you come to Washington, approximately?
Mr. WHALEY. Well, it's been about 2 or 3 weeks ago, sir. I don't remember the exact date.

Where are the records of that interview three weeks prior?
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Mr. BALL. Did you notice how he was dressed?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. I didn't pay much attention to it right then. But it all came back when I really found out who I had. He was dressed in just ordinary work clothes. It wasn't khaki pants but they were khaki material, blue faded blue color, like a blue uniform made in khaki. Then he had on a brown shirt with a little silverlike stripe on it and he had on some kind of jacket, I didn't notice very close but I think it was a work jacket that almost matched the pants.
He, his shirt was open three buttons down here. He had on a T-shirt. You know, the shirt was open three buttons down there.

Then the commission brought Whaley back for a THIRD time where he was able to "ID" CE 150.
But note the words....

Mr. BALL. I have some clothing here. Commission Exhibit No. 150, does that look like the shirt?
Mr. WHALEY. That is the shirt, sir, it has my initials on it.
Mr. BALL. In other words, this is the shirt the man had on?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; that is the same one the FBI man had me identify.
Mr. BALL. This is the shirt the man had on who took your car at Lamar and Jackson?
Mr. WHALEY. As near as I can recollect as I told him. I said that is the shirt he had on because it had a kind of little stripe in it, light-colored stripe. I noticed that.

What was up about that 'little stripe' Whaley kept talking about?
Poor guy got roped by The Man.
Joe Ball got what he needed......................................................................
To be continued

 

[Walt Cakebread]

   
        The Bus Transfer

   According to the Warren Report [and all it's faithful parrots] Lee Oswald planned the assassination of Pres Kennedy. However, it seems to rest of the world that he did rather poorly planning his 'escape'. He had to assume he needed to escape..right? Why not take a bus? A bus? Really, a city bus?
Why not something dynamic like steal or hijack a car?
Oh that's right, Oswald didn't drive.



The bus transfer was reported to have been taken from Oswald's dark brown shirt pocket by Detective Lt Day of the Dallas PD.
It looks brand new! No apparent creases, wrinkles or folds from a shirt that was involved in a knock down drag out scuffle with a gang of cops.
However, National Archivist Steve Hamilton confirmed that the bus transfer has a crease in the middle, indicating that it had at one time been folded. One guy? I would like to see it for myself. But probably it is there now.
No need to go into the entire bus story here. We are all familiar with it.
Oswald himself provided details that were confirmed by witnesses of the 'getaway'.
Feel free to bring up particulars.
In the old failed archives of last year, Walt Cakebread brought up some unique aspects.
Unfortunately they disappeared and perhaps we can bring them back.

The point presently is that if LHO went back and changed shirts, then he must have taken the transfer from his dirty light reddish brown shirt and put it in the dark reddish brown shirt.
Why would he do that? He apparently didn't plan on using it.
But if he needed to escape and get away quickly, why not use the transfer and take another bus?
Instead, [according to 'history'] he went into a panic and strolled away aimlessly
 
FBI guys  Kelley and Bookhout, wrote that Oswald removed a reddish-colored, long-sleeved shirt with a button down collar and placed it in the lower drawer of his dresser.
A minor slip there, the reddish colored shirt did not have a button down collar.
Conjecture...Mary Bledsoe did see Oswald on the bus but her testimony was changed to accommodate his wearing CE 150 and not the shirt he said he actually wore that morning.
Bledsoe, Whaley and another witness [a Mr Jones-bus passenger] all remembered that Oswald wore light colored grey pants on the bus and taxi. Oswald told Capt. Fritz that he had changed his dirty trousers (light colored grey pants) in his room. When arrested, Oswald was wearing very dark pants. His dirty light colored grey pants were later found in his room by police. How could Bledsoe and Jones and Whaley have known Oswald was wearing light grey pants on the bus/taxi unless they had actually seen him?

I was wrong about cab driver Whaley earlier...he was hauled before the Warren Commission THREE times...not just two.
 Apr 8 1964....Where are the records of that interview three weeks prior?
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Then the commission brought Whaley back for a THIRD time where he was able to "ID" CE 150.
But note the words....
What was up about that 'little stripe' Whaley kept talking about?
Poor guy got roped by The Man.
Joe Ball got what he needed......................................................................
To be continued

WARNING....   You're dealing with the "smoking gun" in investigating the shirt.   Be vigilant and don't be confused by all of the BS that's been distributed. 

The shirt is the piece of evidence that reveals the perfidy of the authorities.....

[Jerry Freeman]

No doubt the parrots will bring up this affidavit....



I am aware that it says 'dark shirt with white spots'.
However it says nothing about a 'jacket that matched the pants' which Whaley described Oswald was wearing in his later testimony. We can suppose a somewhat faulty memory in any event.  Cab drivers are busy with the public every day.

[Jerry Freeman]

Just posted this same video in the prayer woman thread.
It should also go along with the shirt discussion-
 

Snips of films spliced together-
Starting at about 1:40 to about 1:50 or so ...who appears to have the same shade of clothing as the prayer individual. steps out into the foreground or bottom of the film and moves to his left.
He looks on like 'what's happening here'?
 Wearing the same type of shirt as CE 151... guess who said he wore?
 Looks like Lee Harvey Oswald huh?

[Walt Cakebread]

Just posted this same video in the prayer woman thread.
It should also go along with the shirt discussion-
 

Yes, I think you're right....I believe that the man is lee Oswald....