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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald's Shirt
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2018, 04:00:35 PM »
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        The Bus Transfer

   According to the Warren Report [and all it's faithful parrots] Lee Oswald planned the assassination of Pres Kennedy. However, it seems to rest of the world that he did rather poorly planning his 'escape'. He had to assume he needed to escape..right? Why not take a bus? A bus? Really, a city bus?
Why not something dynamic like steal or hijack a car?
Oh that's right, Oswald didn't drive.



The bus transfer was reported to have been taken from Oswald's dark brown shirt pocket by Detective Lt Day of the Dallas PD.
It looks brand new! No apparent creases, wrinkles or folds from a shirt that was involved in a knock down drag out scuffle with a gang of cops.
However, National Archivist Steve Hamilton confirmed that the bus transfer has a crease in the middle, indicating that it had at one time been folded. One guy? I would like to see it for myself. But probably it is there now.
No need to go into the entire bus story here. We are all familiar with it.
Oswald himself provided details that were confirmed by witnesses of the 'getaway'.
Feel free to bring up particulars.
In the old failed archives of last year, Walt Cakebread brought up some unique aspects.
Unfortunately they disappeared and perhaps we can bring them back.

The point presently is that if LHO went back and changed shirts, then he must have taken the transfer from his dirty light reddish brown shirt and put it in the dark reddish brown shirt.
Why would he do that? He apparently didn't plan on using it.
But if he needed to escape and get away quickly, why not use the transfer and take another bus?
Instead, [according to 'history'] he went into a panic and strolled away aimlessly :-\
 
FBI guys  Kelley and Bookhout, wrote that Oswald removed a reddish-colored, long-sleeved shirt with a button down collar and placed it in the lower drawer of his dresser.
A minor slip there, the reddish colored shirt did not have a button down collar.
Conjecture...Mary Bledsoe did see Oswald on the bus but her testimony was changed to accommodate his wearing CE 150 and not the shirt he said he actually wore that morning.
Bledsoe, Whaley and another witness [a Mr Jones-bus passenger] all remembered that Oswald wore light colored grey pants on the bus and taxi. Oswald told Capt. Fritz that he had changed his dirty trousers (light colored grey pants) in his room. When arrested, Oswald was wearing very dark pants. His dirty light colored grey pants were later found in his room by police. How could Bledsoe and Jones and Whaley have known Oswald was wearing light grey pants on the bus/taxi unless they had actually seen him?

I was wrong about cab driver Whaley earlier...he was hauled before the Warren Commission THREE times...not just two.
 Apr 8 1964....Where are the records of that interview three weeks prior?
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Then the commission brought Whaley back for a THIRD time where he was able to "ID" CE 150.
But note the words....
What was up about that 'little stripe' Whaley kept talking about?
Poor guy got roped by The Man.
Joe Ball got what he needed......................................................................
To be continued


WARNING....   You're dealing with the "smoking gun" in investigating the shirt.   Be vigilant and don't be confused by all of the BS that's been distributed. 

The shirt is the piece of evidence that reveals the perfidy of the authorities.....

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Online Jerry Freeman

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Re: Oswald's Shirt
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2018, 04:12:15 PM »
No doubt the parrots will bring up this affidavit....



I am aware that it says 'dark shirt with white spots'.
However it says nothing about a 'jacket that matched the pants' which Whaley described Oswald was wearing in his later testimony. We can suppose a somewhat faulty memory in any event.  Cab drivers are busy with the public every day.

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Re: Oswald's Shirt
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2018, 05:02:14 PM »
Just posted this same video in the prayer woman thread.
It should also go along with the shirt discussion-
 
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Snips of films spliced together-
Starting at about 1:40 to about 1:50 or so ...who appears to have the same shade of clothing as the prayer individual. steps out into the foreground or bottom of the film and moves to his left.
He looks on like 'what's happening here'?
 Wearing the same type of shirt as CE 151... guess who said he wore?
 I believe that just might be Lee Harvey Oswald.



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« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2018, 05:29:41 PM »
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Just posted this same video in the prayer woman thread.
It should also go along with the shirt discussion-
 


Yes, I think you're right....I believe that the man is lee Oswald....

Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Oswald's Shirt
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2018, 06:17:06 PM »
LHO is arrested @ approximately 1:55pm.

He is searched @ 4:05pm and five live rounds of .38 calibre pistol shells are found in his left front pocket.

A bus transfer is found in his shirt pocket.

So apparently LHO wasn't searched for the first 2hrs. 10min. he was in custody?

 
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-snip-

"At approximately 1:55pm Friday, November 22, 1963, I was in the vicinity

of the Texas Theater in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas, looking for the suspect

in the slaying of officer J.D. Tippit."

-snip-

"I joined the other officers in attempting to complete the arrest"

-snip-

"succeeded in subduing the suspect, and while the other officers held the suspect, Officer Ray Hawkins and

I handcuffed the suspect."

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"At 4:05pm Sims, Boyd, and Det. M.C. Hall took Oswald down to the holdover in the jail

office for a show-up. Down in the hold over, Boyd searched Oswald and found

five live rounds of .38 calibre pistol shells in his left front pocket. Sims

found a bus transfer slip in Oswald's shirt pocket."

 
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« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2018, 06:17:58 PM »
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The bus transfer was reported to have been taken from Oswald's dark brown shirt pocket by Detective Lt Day of the Dallas PD.

Jerry, Det. Richard Sims removed the bus transfer from Oswald's shirt pocket, not Carl Day.

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It looks brand new! No apparent creases, wrinkles or folds from a shirt that was involved in a knock down drag out scuffle with a gang of cops.
However, National Archivist Steve Hamilton confirmed that the bus transfer has a crease in the middle, indicating that it had at one time been folded. One guy? I would like to see it for myself. But probably it is there now.


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« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2018, 08:02:11 PM »
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Jerry, Det. Richard Sims removed the bus transfer from Oswald's shirt pocket, not Carl Day.

Irrelevant really.
 
 

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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2018, 10:40:10 PM »
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No doubt the parrots will bring up this affidavit....



I am aware that it says 'dark shirt with white spots'.
However it says nothing about a 'jacket that matched the pants' which Whaley described Oswald was wearing in his later testimony. We can suppose a somewhat faulty memory in any event.  Cab drivers are busy with the public every day.


Lee Oswald was NOT the passenger in Whaley's cab.....

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« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2018, 01:50:16 AM »
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Lee Oswald was NOT the passenger in Whaley's cab.....
Not impossible. That affidavit said he dropped off his passenger at the 500 block of N Beckley.
Google map that, and this puts it past the rooming house 0.5 miles.
That is a 10 minute walk at least.
 So......Why?
 Where could the passenger go after that?
That location places Whaley's fare 0.3 miles from the Tippit shooting.
Not very far.
If he  wasn't Whaley's rider...how did Oswald get back to his room?

Whaley mentions the bracelet on the left wrist.
However, we see that he had viewed Oswald before swearing out the affidavit......
Was Oswald still wearing the bracelet then?


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« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2018, 01:59:43 AM »
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Not impossible. That affidavit said he dropped off his passenger at the 500 block of N Beckley.
Google map that, and this puts it past the rooming house 0.5 miles.
That is a 10 minute walk at least.
 So......Why?
 Where could the passenger go after that?
That location places Whaley's fare 0.3 miles from the Tippit shooting.
Not very far.
If he  wasn't Whaley's rider...how did Oswald get back to his room?

Whaley mentions the bracelet on the left wrist.
However, we see that he had viewed Oswald before swearing out the affidavit......
Was Oswald still wearing the bracelet then?



The bracelet is irrelevant..... perhaps Whaley's passenger was wearing a bracelet, but that doesn't prove the man as Lee Oswald.

Whaley was a big BSer....  He may have seen the bracelet in a photo of lee oswald after his arrest and noticed the bracelet....At any rate the bracelet proves nothing.

Lee Oswald was NOT the passenger in Whaley's cab......

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