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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2018, 05:54:02 AM »
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No.

The only evidence available points to Ruby entering the basement via the Main Street ramp.  Do YOU have a shred of evidence proving Ruby gained access to the basement in a different manner?

 The point of course is simply to prove the official story has no basis in fact but thanks to Denis he took it a step farther Well done Denis

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2018, 05:54:02 AM »

Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2018, 09:18:23 AM »
The cab driver, Harry Tasker, was parked on Main st for at least 30 minutes before and right up till Jack Ruby supposedly walked to the entrance of the ramp.

WC Testimony of Harry Tasker:

Mr. HUBERT. Did you know Jack Ruby at all?
Mr. TASKER. No--no, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. You've seen his pictures, of course, since?
Mr. TASKER. Oh, I've seen his pictures.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him around in that crowd that morning?


Mr. TASKER. No, sir; I never have remembered seeing that man coming up, walking, riding, or anything else.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn't see him coming up Main Street from the Western Union office?
Mr. TASKER. No.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn't see him walking along Main Street?
Mr. TASKER. No, sir.

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2018, 11:23:25 AM »
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Oswald was to be transported in an armored truck as part of a long procession of police cars traveling from the Commerce Street ramp to the entrance to the county jail.

The armored truck was sitting atop the Commerce Street ramp.  This was to be the vehicle that Oswald would be placed in to be taken to the county jail.  The driver of the truck had concerns about backing the truck down the ramp, fearing that the truck would stall on it's way up the ramp after picking up it's very infamous passenger.  The driver was also concerned with the overhead air conditioning ducts.

Fritz didn't learn of the plan to transfer Oswald in the armored truck until Sunday mid-morning.  He objected heavily.  Fritz went to Curry with the idea that the alleged assassin should secretly be transferred in one of the police cars in the procession and that the armored truck would be a decoy.  Curry agreed and they set the plan into action.

Fritz ordered Lt. Rio Pierce to take one of the police cars from the basement, take it up the Main Street ramp and go around the block to the Commerce Street side to take the lead position in the procession to the county jail.

Jack Ruby wired the money to his dancer at 11:17 a.m. and headed to the top of the Main Street ramp as he walked out the door of the Western Union office, which was only a half block away from the top of the ramp.  The money wire receipt was time stamped at 11:17.

As the car driven by Lt. Pierce made it's way up the Main Street ramp to begin it's trek around the block to the Commerce Street side, officer Roy Vaughn, who's sole job was to guard the top of the Main Street ramp, stepped out into the street to halt traffic so that Pierce's car could turn onto Main and head around the block.  With Vaughn no longer guarding his post, Ruby entered the ramp and made his way down.

James Turner, an employee of WBAP-TV Fort Worth, was standing at the bottom of the ramp on the east side, near the railing.
 He testified that shortly before the shooting of Oswald, he observed a man making his way down the ramp who he (Turner) was confident was Jack Ruby.

Det. Jim Leavelle spoke with Ruby while Ruby was in custody at City Hall.  Leavelle asked Ruby how he got into the basement.  Ruby stated that when the car driven by Rio Pierce came up the ramp and the guard went out into the street, he walked down the ramp.

Leavelle wanted to see if Ruby was being truthful so he asked his men if any of them knew who drove the car up the ramp just before the shooting.  None of them knew who the driver was.  Leavelle then went to Capt. Fritz and asked him who was driving the car.  Fritz told Leavelle that he ordered Lt. Pierce to take one of the police cars in the basement and take it up the ramp to go around the block to Commerce Street.

None of Leavelle's men knew who drove the car up the ramp but Jack Ruby was perfectly aware of who was driving that car because he saw Pierce driving it with his own eyes.

Ruby gained entrance into the basement via the Main Street ramp.

Oswald was shot at 11:21 a.m., just four minutes after Ruby wired the money to his dancer.  Ruby was in the basement no more than forty-five seconds before he shot the wretched waif Oswald.  If Ruby had arrived in the basement much earlier, he would surely had been noticed and made to leave.

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2018, 11:23:25 AM »

Offline Joe Simmons

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2018, 12:01:16 PM »
I am a dispassionate lurker with no axe to grind either way in this discussion. I have carefully read each note within this thread. While this issue can't be brought to a jury or other body to determine what is the ultimate truth as to how Ruby got into position to kill Oswald, applying the criteria of what does the preponderance of the evidence seem to indicate, I think fair minded people would have to conclude that Ruby was assisted in some way in entering the location in order to kill Oswald. The person who had the responsibility to watch the ramp passed three polygraphs claiming he did not see Ruby entering - there are other ancillary witnesses that state the same thing. I don't view this through the lens of pro or anti conspiracy - I can only judge the assembled facts as we know them. Jack Ruby did not enter via the ramp - the fact that two separate investigatory bodies did not elect to determine to a greater extent how he did get in is unconscionable.

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2018, 07:07:14 PM »
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How does anything Roy Vaughn said prove that Ruby entered the basement another way (besides the Main Street ramp)?

Is this another word game?  He said the ramp was in his view the entire time and nobody walked past him.

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2018, 07:07:14 PM »

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2018, 09:10:31 PM »
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Wow.

How do you get from Ruby not wanting to get someone into trouble to Ruby not wanting to get himself into more trouble?

Ruby did not want to get someone into trouble, i.e. the guard at the top of the ramp.

Isn't it fun to see how these characters avoid an obvious possibility that Vaughn might have simply been covering his arse by stating that he didn't see Ruby.

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2018, 09:27:44 PM »
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Isn't it fun to see how these characters avoid an obvious possibility that Vaughn might have simply been covering his arse by stating that he didn't see Ruby.

LOL.  Every time a witness doesn't conform to the narrative, Chapman invokes the "covering his arse" excuse.  Frazier, Brennan, Vaughn...

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2018, 09:27:44 PM »

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2018, 02:45:38 AM »
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The cab driver, Harry Tasker, was parked on Main st for at least 30 minutes before and right up till Jack Ruby supposedly walked to the entrance of the ramp.

WC Testimony of Harry Tasker:

Mr. HUBERT. Did you know Jack Ruby at all?
Mr. TASKER. No--no, sir.
Mr. HUBERT. You've seen his pictures, of course, since?
Mr. TASKER. Oh, I've seen his pictures.
Mr. HUBERT. Did you see him around in that crowd that morning?


Mr. TASKER. No, sir; I never have remembered seeing that man coming up, walking, riding, or anything else.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn't see him coming up Main Street from the Western Union office?
Mr. TASKER. No.
Mr. HUBERT. You didn't see him walking along Main Street?
Mr. TASKER. No, sir.

Since we know Ruby indeed came from the Western Union office, Tasker not seeing Ruby doesn't mean much.

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2018, 02:45:38 AM »

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2018, 02:49:44 AM »
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I am a dispassionate lurker with no axe to grind either way in this discussion. I have carefully read each note within this thread. While this issue can't be brought to a jury or other body to determine what is the ultimate truth as to how Ruby got into position to kill Oswald, applying the criteria of what does the preponderance of the evidence seem to indicate, I think fair minded people would have to conclude that Ruby was assisted in some way in entering the location in order to kill Oswald. The person who had the responsibility to watch the ramp passed three polygraphs claiming he did not see Ruby entering - there are other ancillary witnesses that state the same thing. I don't view this through the lens of pro or anti conspiracy - I can only judge the assembled facts as we know them. Jack Ruby did not enter via the ramp - the fact that two separate investigatory bodies did not elect to determine to a greater extent how he did get in is unconscionable.

Hi Joe.

Roy Vaughn is the "person who had the responsibility to watch the ramp".

Vaughn "passed" a polygraph saying that he didn't "see Ruby enter".  All this really means is that Vaughn is not lying when he says no one walked down that ramp.  However, if Ruby entered the ramp unseen by Vaughn, then wouldn't Vaughn still pass the polygraph if he said something he believed to be true, even if he was wrong (but didn't know it)?

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Re: Jack Ruby Walked Down The Main Street Ramp
« Reply #29 on: May 26, 2018, 02:59:41 AM »
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Your failure to support with evidence what you claim is a fact in your OP shows who is the dishonest forum poster.

I have already answered this question. You just have chosen to ignore it so you can continue to distract from the obvious point of you having NO supporting evidence for your claim.

No.  You didn't already answer the question.  You're seriously confused as to what Ruby was saying.  The proof of your confused state is in your own words.  Ruby said he did not want to get anyone into trouble.  You question that by asking why would Ruby be worried about getting into even more trouble if he already was being charged with murder.  That makes no sense because Ruby did not say that he was worried about getting into more trouble.

Your confusion would be comical if it wasn't so sad.

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