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Offline John Mytton

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« Reply #48 on: May 24, 2018, 11:41:28 PM »
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Without knowing exactly when Oswald supposedly left the rooming house and exactly when Tippit was shot, it's an exercise in futility.





Exactly, the precise times are irrelevant because almost a dozen people identified Oswald at or lose to the corner of Tenth and Patton and the majority of these eyewitnesses describe Lee Harvey Oswald holding a small weapon.



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Offline John Mytton

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« Reply #49 on: May 24, 2018, 11:47:06 PM »
I'm talking about in Richard's made up narrative above about Oswald shooting Tippit because he "can't risk identifying himself to a police officer".




Yeah the Hidell ID may have worked but for some reason it looks like Tippit got out of his car with his weapon out of it's holster and Oswald just panicked.



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« Reply #50 on: May 25, 2018, 12:29:24 AM »
Exactly, the precise times are irrelevant because almost a dozen people identified Oswald at or lose to the corner of Tenth and Patton and the majority of these eyewitnesses describe Lee Harvey Oswald holding a small weapon.

You keep forgetting the part about "in unfair and biased lineups or from one or two photographs of just Oswald".

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« Reply #51 on: May 25, 2018, 12:30:23 AM »
Yeah the Hidell ID may have worked but for some reason it looks like Tippit got out of his car with his weapon out of it's holster and Oswald just panicked.

Even LNers think that Richard's fantasies are ridiculous!

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« Reply #52 on: May 25, 2018, 12:40:59 AM »
You keep forgetting the part about "in unfair and biased lineups or from one or two photographs of just Oswald".




You can't honestly expect clones, the lineups were alright, the following guys all look the same height and weight. If anything Oswald with a swelling over his eye and different clothes, looked nothing like he did at the time he murdered Tippit and this surely gave him an advantage. And don't forget we aren't talking about some murder in a dark alley this was outside in full on daylight and a stack of eyewitnesses all got a decent look at the guy with a gun.





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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Tippit shooting: How to approach a murder suspect ...
« Reply #53 on: May 25, 2018, 12:43:33 AM »
Without knowing exactly when Oswald supposedly left the rooming house and exactly when Tippit was shot, it's an exercise in futility.

By an agenda, I mean if you know where you are going and how long you have to get there....
You can march like a Nazi storm trooper and do the trip in 15 minutes.
Gerald Ford did it and even cut through an alley to save time.
A french poodle could do it.
But [supposedly] Oswald was either wandering aimlessly or he was going somewhere intentionally.
You can't have it both ways as it suits a theory.
From the scene of the crime at [call it 1:15, which is really late] then you have to stop the suspect..start to question him...be gunned down....then as the victim lay...people gather...someone has the presence of mind to radio the cops...an ambulance dispatched forthwith...and have a person declared deceased by a physician within the next 10 minutes? Impossible.
It's not that I don't 'like it' [presumed by that guy] It's that I just seriously doubt it.

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Re: Tippit shooting: How to approach a murder suspect ...
« Reply #54 on: May 25, 2018, 06:32:21 PM »
You can't honestly expect clones, the lineups were alright, the following guys all look the same height and weight.

These guys were teenagers.  But nice cherry-pick.  What "witnesses" attended the 4th lineup?  Scoggins?

It's not just about height and weight.

- The fillers were not chosen to resemble the witnesses' descriptions of the perpetrator
- There were only 3 fillers for the lineups and no fillers for the photo identifications
- The fillers were not dressed like Oswald
- The fillers were not dressed to match witnesses' descriptions of the perpetrator
- The person administering the lineup knew which person in the lineup was the suspect
- The witnesses did not view the lineups separately
- Some witnesses knew which man was the suspect before they attended the lineup
- Not all of the men were handcuffed together for the first lineup
- Witnesses were influenced by the physical appearances of both Oswald and the fillers
- Witnesses were influenced by Oswald's complaints about the fairness of the lineups
- Witnesses were intimidated or pressured by the authorities
- Witnesses were asked to sign affidavits which would include who they picked in the lineup before actually viewing the lineup
- The criminal justice system in Dallas County had a history of railroading suspects

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« Reply #55 on: May 26, 2018, 03:17:14 AM »
Thank you