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Offline Jørn Frending

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Tippit shooting: How to approach a murder suspect ...
« on: May 22, 2018, 11:32:52 PM »
Tippit was a ww2 parachuting veteran with 10 years of experience as a police officer in Dallas.

He is approaching a murder suspect who matches the description broadcast to him on radio.

However, he approaches the man keeping his gun IN THE HOLSTER and drives up TO THE SIDE of the man STAYING BEHIND the steering wheel engaging in a friendly conversation NOT asking him to KEEP HIS HANDS where he can see them. He does not even find it convenient to INFORM THE DISPATCHER of his intentions.

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« Reply #1 on: May 22, 2018, 11:54:02 PM »
The shooter is able to draw his gun and in rapid succession fire an old surplus revolver three times in double action mode hitting Tippit in a perfect vertical line, quickly and accurately, which means that Tippit did not have time to move even to inches to one side or the other before it was over ...

This would be more likely from a skilled well trained shooter with a proper gun ...

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« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2018, 12:19:47 AM »
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Tippit was a ww2 parachuting veteran with 10 years of experience as a police officer in Dallas.

He is approaching a murder suspect who matches the description broadcast to him on radio.

However, he approaches the man keeping his gun IN THE HOLSTER and drives up TO THE SIDE of the man STAYING BEHIND the steering wheel engaging in a friendly conversation NOT asking him to KEEP HIS HANDS where he can see them. He does not even find it convenient to INFORM THE DISPATCHER of his intentions.

Hey, Jorn.  What you posted always bothered me as well.  Anyway you look at it,
Tippit did not consider the suspect a potential threat which is why I believe that the theory, they knew each other in a casual way ... like frequenting the same restaurant or diner in the morning before each of them went to work ... should be given some merit.
Hence the conversation through the small, side window.

Hey, Lee did you hear about the President being shot?

Now, what answer could Lee give before Tippit remembers ...
Hey, wait a minute doesn't he work on the same street.  What's he doing here?

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Re: Tippit shooting: How to approach a murder suspect ...
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2018, 12:27:19 AM »
I started this topic because in another thread someone claimed that a .38 auto is the same as a .380 which is of course not true but to my astonishment nobody protested about it. I then realized how little or how poorly we actually treat the shooting event or gunfight it self.

The .38 AUTO is similar (close) in dimensions to the .38 special but as it is semi rimmed it can be used in both revolvers and automatics. It does read .38 AUTO on the headstamp to the contrary of other .38 calibers designed for revolvers only.

Some Webley Scott revolvers are chambered for this round as some popular surplus handguns of the time like the ASTRA 400 and the STAR MODEL AS. Obviously automatics allow much more rapid succession of firing shots, even the AUTOMATIC WEBLEY REVOLVER which was also chambered in this round.

Thus, being semi rimmed and similar in dimensions to the .38 Special, the .38 AUTO could probably cause some confusion or misunderstandings in stressful situations ...

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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2018, 12:30:59 AM »
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Tippit was a ww2 parachuting veteran with 10 years of experience as a police officer in Dallas.

He is approaching a murder suspect who matches the description broadcast to him on radio.

However, he approaches the man keeping his gun IN THE HOLSTER and drives up TO THE SIDE of the man STAYING BEHIND the steering wheel engaging in a friendly conversation NOT asking him to KEEP HIS HANDS where he can see them. He does not even find it convenient to INFORM THE DISPATCHER of his intentions.

Do ya think that Tippit was drunk?

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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2018, 12:37:45 AM »
[quote author=Jørn Frending link=topic=
Answering Dan:

Yes, it was a personal thing, kind of "stay away from my wife" situation, and then " You asked for it - let's settle this now" ...

If it was not personal, the suspect could just have run down the alley out of sight, "nothing to see here, move on" ...
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2018, 12:54:42 AM »
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Tippit was a ww2 parachuting veteran with 10 years of experience as a police officer in Dallas.

He is approaching a murder suspect who matches the description broadcast to him on radio.

However, he approaches the man keeping his gun IN THE HOLSTER and drives up TO THE SIDE of the man STAYING BEHIND the steering wheel engaging in a friendly conversation NOT asking him to KEEP HIS HANDS where he can see them. He does not even find it convenient to INFORM THE DISPATCHER of his intentions.

We will never know with certainty what drew Tippit's attention to Oswald.  Oswald likely did something that appeared suspicious to him.  There is no reason to believe Tippit stopped to talk with every male who matched the description of the assassin.  Thus, he was not approaching "a murder suspect" at the time but just someone who had attracted his attention.  And he decided to check it out.  Not unlike what drew Brewer's attention a short while later, it's likely Oswald tried to make himself inconspicuous when he saw a police car and Tippit recognized that as suspect behavior.   
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Re: Tippit shooting: How to approach a murder suspect ...
« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2018, 12:55:59 AM »
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I started this topic because in another thread someone claimed that a .38 auto is the same as a .380 which is of course not true but to my astonishment nobody protested about it.

So what?
A .380 ACP was fired from hammer-less pistols.
Either that or a .38  [automatic Colt pistol] is probably what Tippit was shot with [not by Oswald]
That Tippit 'approached a murder suspect' is a theory based on nothing.
 

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Re: Tippit shooting: How to approach a murder suspect ...
« Reply #8 on: May 23, 2018, 01:02:50 AM »
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Do ya think that Tippit was drunk?

Hello Walt ...

Yes, whatever would make him fearless ... But being furious could have the same effect ... And it may well be so for those of us who have read about Tipper's "race" prior to this, but that's another story ...

I'm pleased to see that you seem to be well and do still keep people occupied on the forum ... (Smile)

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« Reply #9 on: May 23, 2018, 01:27:40 AM »
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Do ya think that Tippit was drunk?

Somebody was.
Because I read earlier that Tippit had made a phone call from a record store at the same time..he was getting shot!
Practically....
 
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1:11:00 Top Ten Record shop owner J.W. Stark and clerk Louis Cortinas claim that Tippit came into the store on West Jefferson and made a phone call at this time. Getting no answer, Tippit reportedly left heading north to Sunset, then east. Helen Markham leaves her residence to catch a bus at Patton and Jefferson.
1:13:00 p.m.    Jimmy Burt and William Smith talk in the front yard of 505 East Tenth. Burt spots a man, believed to be Oswald, across the street walking west.
1:14:00 p.m. Helen Markham reaches the corner of Tenth and Patton and waits for traffic to pass, including Tippit's squad car headed east. She sees Tippit stop alongside Oswald, who is walking east.
1:14:20 p.m. Jack Tatum, driving west on Tenth, passes Tippit's squad car. Oswald, standing on the passenger side of Tippit's car, is leaning down talking to Tippit through the open vent window with both hands in his zipper jacket.
1:14:30 p.m.    Oswald pulls a gun from under his jacket and shoots Tippit four times. He escapes headed south on Patton toward Jefferson, as Barbara and Virginia Davis watch.
1:18:59 p.m. An ambulance arrives at the Tippit shooting scene. Several citizens help attendants load Tippit's body. They depart within a minute.   
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   Notice how it all comes down to precisely the nearest second? ::)   
 

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Re: Tippit shooting: How to approach a murder suspect ...
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