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Offline Matt Grantham

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John Liggett and Jay Bert Peck
« on: May 14, 2018, 09:49:31 PM »
 John Liggett had the reputation of being one of the best embalmers in reconstructing the faces of those who had suffered serious damage before they died, gunshots etc Lois Liggett felt her Husband, John Liggett, was involved in doing something with JFK's body It was also reported that Liggett seems to have come into a lot of money after the assassination

Jay Bert Peck, was LBJ cousin, and supposedly looked and sounded a lot like LBJ Much was made that Jay Bert Peck stood in for LBJ during an event Nov 21 while LBJ was supposedly at the Murchison get together J. Bert Peck’s known role as an “LBJ Stand-in,” appeared in the People section of Time magazine, in the edition dated August 2, 1968,.(a similar article appeared in Newsweek three days later):

Jay Bert Peck was found shot on the evening of Friday, July 4, 1969, and died the next day. According to his obituary in the Garland Texas News on Sunday, July 6, 1969, he had achieved considerable fame, having appeared on the Johnny Carson television show as well as the movie referenced above. More details on Peck's murder seem hard to come by

 On March 27 John Liggett is arrested for the attempted murder of Jay Bert Peck's wife, Dorothy, who later dies from her injuries

 Yes it is circumstantial but seems unlikely to be pure coincidence

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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: John Liggett and Jay Bert Peck
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2018, 03:22:53 PM »
 Here is a quote of another JFK forum It seems on this forum many of the links people have left do not appear in the archives fror some reason Just wondering if anyone knows of the photograph that is being described?


Here’s that photo taken at the Carousel. From left to right: Susanne Liggett (wife of Malcolm), Malcolm Liggett (brother of John), Jack Ruby, unidentified person, Iris Campbell who was later to become a friend of Lois and her daughter Debra Godwin.

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« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2018, 11:08:41 PM »
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Here is a quote of another JFK forum It seems on this forum many of the links people have left do not appear in the archives fror some reason Just wondering if anyone knows of the photograph that is being described?

Here’s that photo taken at the Carousel. From left to right: Susanne Liggett (wife of Malcolm), Malcolm Liggett (brother of John), Jack Ruby, unidentified person, Iris Campbell who was later to become a friend of Lois and her daughter Debra Godwin.
I found that the funeral John Liggett allegedly attended circa Nov. 22 and
was called away from was his wife Lois's aunt's funeral.


My experience was there was little to no interest in this topic. J Bert Peck's wife Dorothy Day Peck did survive Liggett's alleged assault/arson attack in her apartment.

Dorothy Day Peck's mother's SS app:


Dorothy's mother and aunt were Winfreys, their uncle, HC Winfrey was a friend and co-accused of Dallas underworld investigation target John Stone. Dorothy's aunt was spouse of :

Waggoner and his brother were major investors in Dallas horse racing until
it was outlawed. Gambler HC Winfrey missed a flight to Las Vegas chartered
by Waggoner, according to an FBI report, but Winfrey was the uncle of
Waggoner's wife.


Victor H Perry, who inherited the TSBD business from his father, about 1927, listed
his occupation on 1930 US census, as "promoter horse racing". He incorporated with Cason and Campbell in the TSBD before his death about 1939.:
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The question is why did much younger Dorothy Day marry J Bert Peck? This question
drove my efforts to find out more about Peck's young wife Dorothy and her family.

Dorothy's grandmother had at least one interesting pallbearer, but it could be
because Dorothy's late grandfather had been DPD commissioner early in the
20th century.


Dorothy's brother was employed as McGraw Hill book sales rep. dealing with
TSBD. He was killed in a convertible car rollover in July, 1959.


His successor advised his priest that he attended a party hosted by TSBD president Jack Cason at which he witnessed Mrs. Cason saying someone should shoot JFK.
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Re: John Liggett and Jay Bert Peck
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2018, 11:30:06 PM »
News report of John Liggett's death:


The 1972 arson murders crimes were never solved.:
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Re: John Liggett and Jay Bert Peck
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2018, 11:59:48 PM »
I located a yearbook picture of Malcom Liggett's wife, Suzanne LaPaugh Liggett, at Binghamton University ( Harper College). Library staff would not send me a picture of the yearbook photo. Here is the photo you mentioned... on the left are Susanne and Malcolm Liggett, it is alleged.

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« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2018, 12:18:10 AM »
Tom, as you may recall, I was and still am, very interested in this topic. I was hoping you would be able to restore the funeral notices that you posted before the crash. The funeral notice for Alene Miller was, absolutely, for 2PM on Nov. 22.

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Re: John Liggett and Jay Bert Peck
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2018, 12:59:47 AM »
 Thanks Michael and Tom

The Aileen Miller information is very helpful since I had seen statements that Ligett had been called away from something, but that story adds credibility that he was called away for something urgent that day

 I am not sure I get the Wgggoner connection other than his wife was Dorothy Pecks Sister?
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Re: John Liggett and Jay Bert Peck
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2018, 02:44:20 AM »
This is a tangled web of information that is very interesting to say the least. It sounds like LBJ's cousin, Peck might have been a little to free with his talk and that could have cost him his life. LBJ was said to have left a trail of bodies including his sister by way of Malcolm Wallace . Liggett still leaves me in a fog of how he got caught up in the happenings around the JFK assassination. I'm going to dive into the information you guys have put out there . Thanks Tom , Michael and Matt.

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« Reply #8 on: May 17, 2018, 03:34:11 AM »
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Tom, as you may recall, I was and still am, very interested in this topic. I was hoping you would be able to restore the funeral notices that you posted before the crash. The funeral notice for Alene Miller was, absolutely, for 2PM on Nov. 22.

Michael, I cropped this from the entire page of funeral notices published by DMN on 11/22/63.
Unfortunately there is no date on the page image, but the first image in my first post on this
thread is of Alene B Miller's death cert. Unless John Liggett's ex-wife Lois was a liar of
world class ability, she and likely her husband John Liggett were at the funeral of her aunt
at 2:00 pm on Nov. 22, 1963.


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Thanks Michael and Tom

The Aileen Miller information since I has seen statements that Ligett had been called away from something, but that story adds credibility that he was called away for something urgent that day

 I am not sure I get the Wgggoner connection other than his wife was Dorothy Pecks Sister?
(Part of my point is that there are voluminous coincidences, or whatever they turn out to
be, in the background of every person of interest connected to people who have been linked
to the JFK Assassination and or cover up.) Again, why would Dorothy Day, in her late 20s in
the late 1950's, marry Jay Bert Peck, in his mid 50s?

Matt, Guy Waggoner's wife, Dorothy Winfrey was Dorothy Day Peck's mother, Virginia's sister.
The amount of money in the article headline is only what his assets in B.C., Canada amounted to.:

His widow, Dorothy Peck's aunt, outlived Waggoner by 49 years.:
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My point was that Dorothy's aunt was an extremely wealthy widow and Waggoner was connected with her (widow Waggoner) bookie uncle, H (aka Henry) C Winfrey, who the FBI and DPD took considerable interest in.


Bosco was later arrested with DPD detective Charles Sansone, who deserves a whole chapter, himself! He grew up near Boston, was a track star at Bates College in Maine, earned a
batchelors degree and then showed up in Dallas in the 30s as a DPD patrolman of no positive
distinction!








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Re: John Liggett and Jay Bert Peck
« Reply #9 on: May 17, 2018, 04:15:58 AM »
  Type in------  Kennedy's and King ---Evaluating the Case Against Lyndon Johnson
   
     About half way through this information on different aspects of the JFK case. Billie Sol Estes wrote a book called Billie Sol Estes - A Texas Legend of which he said there was a body alteration in the JFK case . But it was not to JFK , but to a lookalike. Before the assassination, a mortician named John Liggett was to find a body like Kennedy's, and it was to later match certain wound descriptions. On the day of the murder, Liggett was picked up in a hearse that contained the lookalikes body. At Love Field he got on a plane and instructions were relayed to him and he made it look like the double had been shot in the head from the rear . Then , photographs of both bodies were taken and were later mixed and matched for the official story. ( Estes, pgs 155-157)

  I don't know if this info was already in your hands but as crazy as the case has been , I thought I had heard everything, but this is up there . Some have said that Billie Sol Estes knew a whole lot and was of course very tight with LBJ and gave LBJ a lot of money back in the day.


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