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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #30 on: May 21, 2018, 06:05:19 AM »
False. Ballistic experts Robert Frazier and Joseph Nicol both studied the two fragments recovered from the limousine, CE-567 and CE-569, and concluded that based on the marks on them, both were fired from the rifle found on the sixth floor. Both fragments had enough marks on them to link them to this rifle to the exclusion of all other rifles in the world.

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What ballistic expert has stated that fragments can never be linked to a particular rifle based on the marks on them.

None, because it's BS.

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Couldn’t any rifle of the proper type fire a bullet with a certain exotic metal composition? I assume you mean a mostly intact bullet was recovered, and a fragment was also recovered and the question came up ‘Did the fragment come from that bullet’. I doubt any ballistic expert would say it did, to the exclusion of all other bullets in the world.

Correct, no ballistic expert would/could.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #31 on: May 21, 2018, 12:54:00 PM »
False. Ballistic experts Robert Frazier and Joseph Nicol both studied the two fragments recovered from the limousine, CE-567 and CE-569, and concluded that based on the marks on them, both were fired from the rifle found on the sixth floor. Both fragments had enough marks on them to link them to this rifle to the exclusion of all other rifles in the world.

Some fragments are indeed to small to match to a rifle. But that is not true of all fragments.


Question:

What ballistic expert has stated that fragments can never be linked to a particular rifle based on the marks on them.



Couldn’t any rifle of the proper type fire a bullet with a certain exotic metal composition? I assume you mean a mostly intact bullet was recovered, and a fragment was also recovered and the question came up ‘Did the fragment come from that bullet’. I doubt any ballistic expert would say it did, to the exclusion of all other bullets in the world.

Ballistic experts Robert Frazier and Joseph Nicol both studied the two fragments recovered from the limousine, CE-567 and CE-569, and concluded that based on the marks on them, both were fired from the rifle found on the sixth floor.

This is utter nonsense!!.....and only a gullible, ignoramus would believe it.

In a telephone conversation with LBJ on 11/23/63 J.Edgar Hoover told LBJ..."We have what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification."

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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #32 on: May 21, 2018, 01:25:18 PM »
I think the TV show would have benefited from a more careful study of Larry Sturdivan’s “The JFK Myths”. In the book, Mr. Sturdivan explains that the effect of the material that is struck by a bullet on that bullet (does it deform, does it fragment) mostly depends on the density of the material.
This cannot be right. Mass per unit area, maybe. But not mass per unit volume (density). A 4 inch thick gold brick may deform a bullet but a thin gold foil certainly won't. Both have the same density.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2018, 05:16:24 PM »
This cannot be right. Mass per unit area, maybe. But not mass per unit volume (density). A 4 inch thick gold brick may deform a bullet but a thin gold foil certainly won't. Both have the same density.

Could you bring a 4 inch thick gold brick to my house so we can perform the experiment?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #34 on: May 23, 2018, 06:27:58 PM »
False. Ballistic experts Robert Frazier and Joseph Nicol both studied the two fragments recovered from the limousine, CE-567 and CE-569, and concluded that based on the marks on them, both were fired from the rifle found on the sixth floor. Both fragments had enough marks on them to link them to this rifle to the exclusion of all other rifles in the world.

What do you mean, "false"?  How in the world does that tell you who fired it?

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Offline Howard Gee

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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #35 on: May 23, 2018, 06:56:32 PM »
What do you mean, "false"?  How in the world does that tell you who fired it?

All we have to do is figure out who fired C2766 now.

Any ideas ?

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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2018, 12:34:07 AM »
All we have to do is figure out who fired C2766 now.

Any ideas ?

You're the one who thinks you have it all figured out.  You justify it.

You haven't even demonstrated that C2766 was actually fired that day.

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2018, 01:57:47 AM »
You're the one who thinks you have it all figured out.  You justify it.

You haven't even demonstrated that C2766 was actually fired that day.

You haven't even demonstrated that C2766 was actually fired that day.

Not a single person reported the smell of gunpowder on the sixth floor... The cavern of boxes that the rifle was WELL HIDDEN in would have reeked of the smell if that rifle had been fired that day.....
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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2018, 03:11:14 AM »
The one fragment of 6 which must be the Tague curb strike, is one hell of a trajectory zig zag imo The experiemt with the plastic dummy head shows fragment DOES hit Greer seat if continued on same downward trajectory from exiting front right temple of JFK.

3 fragments come to rest under Mrs Conally seat and 2 other fragments are found in the front part of limo. NONE went thru the front seat. ALL must have flown OVER the front seat. Then 3 of them hit the inner windshield and the other 2 hit the windshield frame?

How do the fragments that hit a windshield angled approx 45 degree on the inside, deflect 180 degree approx backward and yet dont hit Greer, dont go thru ANY PART of his seat?

How could those 3 fragments have gone AROUND Greer? They would had to have deflected leftward from striking the inner surface of the windsheild, then deflected off what, the front door panel?

The other 2 fragments that were found in the front part of the limo, (not sure exactly if they were on the front seat or the front floorboard), but nevertheless, how did they get there without going thru front seat or striking the right side of inner windsheidl or the front dashboard?

It does not seem to me very probable that those 2 fragment could have BOTH hit the same windsheidl frame,causing that dent, but even is so, HOW do they not bounce back to the back seat too, like the other 3 fragments that presumably struck the inner windsheild in front of Greer?



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Offline Howard Gee

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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2018, 03:41:22 AM »
You're the one who thinks you have it all figured out.  You justify it.

You haven't even demonstrated that C2766 was actually fired that day.

The fragments in the limo that were fired from C2766 to the exclusion of all other rifles proves it.

So you better come up with a way they got there, counselor.

Basically you have 2 options. They were in the limo before the assassination or they were planted afterwards.

Choose one.

Otherwise, it's obvious C2766 was fired that day.

Now who do you think might have fired C2766 ?

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Re: The Limo Bullet Fragments....
« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2018, 03:41:22 AM »