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Offline Jake Maxwell

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J. Edgar Hoover's recently released memo below - only two days after the assassination, Nov. 24, 1963 - shows a rush to judgment regarding Oswald - and quite possibly a rush to cover-up...

Shouldn't this be considered the most relevant piece of evidence for a conspiracy?

"The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin."
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Offline Matthew Finch

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2018, 12:42:51 PM »
"The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin."

Real as opposed to...?

This can be taken a couple of ways. It can be seen at face value as trying to cover up (if the 'real' assassin was not Oswald). But it can also be seen as a completely innocent way of trying to ensure the public know the truth and don't erroneously think they are being fed a story.

Translation of the first way:
"Cripes, we don't want the public to find out that this was a conspired job, how can we ensure the public believes that it was Oswald?"

Translation of the second way:
"We know Oswald did it, but how on Earth do we ensure the public knows for sure it was Oswald...?"

That's how I read it (the second way).

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2018, 12:56:48 PM »
Do you have it to hand?

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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2018, 01:00:29 PM »
Shouldn't this be considered the most relevant piece of evidence for a conspiracy?

conspiracy - no

cover up - absolutely

WW III involving a nuclear exchange was a distinct possibility especially if either Russia or Cuba were implicated in the assassination of JFK.

Easier for everyone to blame everything on 2 random and demented LNers and leave it at that. Even better since one of them was killed on the 24th before testifying and the other died of cancer while in prison.

WW III averted = everyone can go back to business.

Or so it would seem......except for Lee Oswald and his family.....  And this is NOT the American way. ( nor should it be for any christian nation.) 

The murder of JFK was the way of the mob.....  and John Edgar Hoover understood the tacit well.   

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2018, 01:33:58 PM »
This can be taken a couple of ways. It can be seen at face value as trying to cover up (if the 'real' assassin was not Oswald). But it can also be seen as a completely innocent way of trying to ensure the public know the truth and don't erroneously think they are being fed a story.

Translation of the first way:
"Cripes, we don't want the public to find out that this was a conspired job, how can we ensure the public believes that it was Oswald?"

Translation of the second way:
"We know Oswald did it, but how on Earth do we ensure the public knows for sure it was Oswald...?"

That's how I read it (the second way).

If the intent was the second interpretation as you believe....  Then why did the authorities ( The DPD and Hoover's agents) create false evidence.   If Lee Oswald had been guilty then there should have been no reason to create false evidence.   The evidence should speak for itself.   

False evidence announces a frame up.....

But the simple fact is..... The WR is obviously a damned lie.   If Lee was guilty then there should have been no need to create the elaborate lie. 

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2018, 02:19:41 PM »
This can be taken a couple of ways. It can be seen at face value as trying to cover up (if the 'real' assassin was not Oswald). But it can also be seen as a completely innocent way of trying to ensure the public know the truth and don't erroneously think they are being fed a story.

Translation of the first way:
"Cripes, we don't want the public to find out that this was a conspired job, how can we ensure the public believes that it was Oswald?"

Translation of the second way:
"We know Oswald did it, but how on Earth do we ensure the public knows for sure it was Oswald...?"

That's how I read it (the second way).

The second interpretation is "altered reality" ....   It's ironic that Leonard Pitts wrote about this in an editorial.

'If reality is altered, as it is in the Warren Report, then what can we believe in?'

Mr Pitts article follows.....

Leonard Pitts Jr.
By Leonard Pitts Jr.

 
'If reality is altered, what can we believe in?'
By Leonard Pitts Jr., Tribune Content Agency on May 9, 2018
"If Reality Is Altered, What Can We Believe In?"

In 1994, that was the headline of the first column I ever wrote about the manipulation of images and words -- digital lies that made it difficult to know what was really real. Small wonder, I said, we were a nation "paralyzed by cynicism."

Twenty-four years later, the technology has improved while social media have made the lies ubiquitous. And "cynicism" would be a feeble word for the state of the union today, when the very idea of knowable truth is in controversy, an adviser to a lying president speaks airily of "alternative facts," the news is filled with conspiracy theories and it has become distressingly clear that many of us simply don't care, blithely rejecting all facts that collide with preferred fictions.

The scary thing is, it's about to get worse.

That's according to "After the Fact," a troubling and essential new book by USA Today reporter Nathan Bomey, which traces the course of this intellectual unraveling. He writes that new technology will soon open the door to an era of audio manipulation, the implications of which are staggering.

Consider that it is already possible, with a little tech savvy, to produce an image or video of you doing something you never did. Well, now it will be possible to pair that with audio of you saying -- in your own voice -- something you never said. As if it were not already hard enough to know the truth when you hear it.

So how did we reach this point? "Journalists," said Bomey in a telephone interview, "used to be gatekeepers in the sense that we took responsibility for authenticating information. And people trusted us to try to sort fact from fiction. Now social media has put individual people in charge of authenticating information on their own, and most people aren't trained to do that." Complicating matters, he said, is "the natural human tendency to ignore the truth."

Though the retreat from facts has been most noticeable among conservatives, thanks to their megaphone of cable news, talk radio and internet conspiracy sites, Bomey said it is not unique to them. While the right denies the fact of climate change, for instance, "Liberals are more likely to deny the facts about genetically modified food, which is a big issue when it comes to poverty in Africa."
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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2018, 02:53:16 PM »
Shouldn't this be considered the most relevant piece of evidence for a conspiracy?

conspiracy - no

cover up - absolutely

WW III involving a nuclear exchange was a distinct possibility especially if either Russia or Cuba were implicated in the assassination of JFK.

Easier for everyone to blame everything on 2 random and demented LNers and leave it at that. Even better since one of them was killed on the 24th before testifying and the other died of cancer while in prison.

WW III averted = everyone can go back to business.

Hi Tony....   I could not more profoundly and vociferously disagree with your position.

"conspiracy - no"     "cover up - absolutely"

Hoover wrote the memo....

 "The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin."


Which clearly is the work of a desperate man. So, Why was Hoover in a panic?

We've examined a mountain of information and it's clear to me that J.Edger hoover had foreknowledge of the plot and sanctioned the plot....  He was a conspirator.

 

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2018, 02:53:21 PM »
"...On November 23,1963, J. Edgar Hoover forwarded the results of the FBI's preliminary investigation to him.(LBJ) This report detailed the evidence that indicated LHO's guilt.

On November 24, 1963, Hoover telephoned President Johnson aide Walter Jenkins and stated:"The thing I am concerned about, and so is Mr. Katzenbach, is having something issued so we can convince the public that Oswald is the real assassin..."


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