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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #10 on: May 11, 2018, 06:13:33 PM »
Translation of the second way:
"We know Oswald did it, but how on Earth do we ensure the public knows for sure it was Oswald...?"

That's how I read it (the second way).

How could Hoover (or anybody else) have known on Nov 24 that Oswald did it?

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
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Offline Jake Maxwell

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #11 on: May 11, 2018, 06:19:07 PM »

The case, as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction

At the time Hoover was telling LBJ that their case was very weak.....The authorities in Dallas were lying through their teeth and telling reporters all kinds of lies.... like saying they had found Lee Oswald's prints on the gun....and the gun was a deadly accurate rifle that was equipped with a telescopic sight...... and they had found the paper sack that Oswald had used to smuggle the rifle into the building..... and on and on....

Walt, Your quotes are poignant and your conclusions the most reasonable.

To Tony Fratini's previous suggestion, that Hoover was willing to rush to judgment and blame Oswald to protect the world from a possible nuclear war - by letting one man "take one" for the country (against his will) - This is the very same logic that would cause someone like Hoover to justify the killing of one person, the president, to change the political direction of the country (foreign policy, etc.), and frame another person to protect the country from internal social chaos and eternal distrust of the FBI, the CIA, the presidency, etc....

Regarding the cover-up: I think Hoover was less fearful, if at all, that Russia and Cuba might be implicated, than that the citizens of our country would discover that we had leaders we can't trust.... And this is possibly what is behind the contemporary argument that we need to keep some JFK files classified because of national security concerns... These concerns have nothing to do with Russia or Cuba - and everything to do with how the US public perceives it's institutions that can become corrupt to the core..... 
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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #12 on: May 11, 2018, 06:25:00 PM »
How could Hoover (or anybody else) have known on Nov 24 that Oswald did it?

More to the point....How could Hoover have known on Nov 24 that Oswald did NOT commit the murder?

And only a bastroid who already knew the truth would want to initiate a campaign to convince the public that the man that he was railroading ( he admitted they had no case against LHO) was the killer.


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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
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Offline Bruce Backlund

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2018, 01:52:25 AM »
I may be wrong, but I don't think J. Edgar Hoover even turned over this memo to the WC indicating a possible Oswald imposter dated June of 1960?


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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2018, 02:12:14 PM »
I may be wrong, but I don't think J. Edgar Hoover even turned over this memo to the WC indicating a possible Oswald imposter dated June of 1960?



I get the impression that Hoover was fishing when he drafted this letter.

Hoover wanted to know if Lee Oswald was a US agent and hoped that he would receive information about Lee Oswald's status.

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Offline Bruce Backlund

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2018, 02:36:10 PM »
I get the impression that Hoover was fishing when he drafted this letter.

Hoover wanted to know if Lee Oswald was a US agent and hoped that he would receive information about Lee Oswald's status.

Yes, looks like one carbon copy, (CC) went to the Office of Naval Intelligence, per what I see on the last line of the document. Unusual Oswald was in the government's radar 3 1/2 years before the assassination.
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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2018, 04:12:21 PM »
Yes, looks like one carbon copy, (CC) went to the Office of Naval Intelligence, per what I see on the last line of the document. Unusual Oswald was in the government's radar 3 1/2 years before the assassination.
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 Oswald was in the government's radar 3 1/2 years before the assassination.

Making a statement like this indicates that Lee Oswald was a suspect long before the coup d e'tat.

I believe Hoover was in the dark, and didn't know that Lee Oswald was one of the false defectors who went to Russia as agents of the US.   Hoover was merely phising.....

Many of the most successful spies in history are looked upon as suspected agents for a foreign power by organizations that are not privy to the secret.

Lee Was sent to Russia by a US government organization.....  Hoover wasn't informed.

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2018, 04:24:24 PM »
Oswald was in the government's radar 3 1/2 years before the assassination.

Making a statement like this indicates that Lee Oswald was a suspect long before the coup d e'tat.

I believe Hoover was in the dark, and didn't know that Lee Oswald was one of the false defectors who went to Russia as agents of the US.   Hoover was merely phising.....

Many of the most successful spies in history are looked upon as suspected agents for a foreign power by organizations that are not privy to the secret.

Lee Was sent to Russia by a US government organization.....  Hoover wasn't informed.

Your correct Walt. Hoover would not be informed! Unusual, a memo concerning Oswald however, issued personally by the Director himself, over what appears a minor matter. Perhaps it was as you said, "a fishing" expedition. I do find the whole matter suspicious, however, as I have always wondered about an "Oswald double."
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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2018, 05:16:12 PM »
11/23/63
Lyndon B. Johnson: Have you established any more about the visit to the Soviet embassy in Mexico in September?

J. Edgar Hoover: No, that's one angle that's very confusing, for this reason - we have up here the tape and the photograph of the man who was at the Soviet embassy, using Oswald's name. That picture and the tape do not correspond to this man's voice, nor to his appearance. In other words, it appears that there is a second person who was at the Soviet embassy down there. We do have a copy of a letter which was written by Oswald to the Soviet embassy here in Washington, inquiring as well as complaining about the harassment of his wife and the questioning of his wife by the FBI. Now, of course, that letter information - we process all mail that goes to the Soviet embassy. It's a very secret operation.
No mail is delivered to the embassy without being examined and opened by us, so that we know what they receive... The case, as it stands now, isn't strong enough to be able to get a conviction... Now if we can identify this man who was at the... Soviet embassy in Mexico City... This man Oswald has still denied everything. He doesn't know anything about anything, but the gun thing, of course, is a definite trend.

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J. Edgar Hoover: I just wanted to let you know of a development which I think is very important in connection with this case - this man in Dallas (Lee Harvey Oswald). We, of course, charged him with the murder of the President. The evidence that they have at the present time is not very, very strong. We have just discovered the place where the gun was purchased and the shipment of the gun from Chicago to Dallas, to a post office box in Dallas, to a man - no, to a woman by the name of "A. Hidell."... We had it flown up last night, and our laboratory here is making an examination of it.

Lyndon B. Johnson: Yes, I told the Secret Service to see that that got taken care of.

J. Edgar Hoover: That's right. We have the gun and we have the bullet. There was only one full bullet that was found. That was on the stretcher that the President was on. It apparently had fallen out when they massaged his heart, and we have that one. We have what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification. As soon as we finish the testing of the gun for fingerprints ... we will then be able to test the one bullet we have with the gun. But the important thing is that this gun was bought in Chicago on a money order. Cost twenty-one dollars, and it seems almost impossible to think that for twenty-one dollars you could kill the President of the United States.

Hear yee ...Hear Yee....  Listen up you Lone Nuts who argue that the bullet fragments ( slivers) could be traced to the Carcano.   

Your hero, J Edna Hoover said :.....We have what we call slivers, which are not very valuable in the identification.

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Re: Hoover's recently released memo; does it prove conspiracy?
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2018, 06:03:46 PM »
Your correct Walt. Hoover would not be informed! Unusual, a memo concerning Oswald however, issued personally by the Director himself, over what appears a minor matter. Perhaps it was as you said, "a fishing" expedition. I do find the whole matter suspicious, however, as I have always wondered about an "Oswald double."
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Are you aware that Mama Oswald created a "scene" that caused governments of at least two countries to focus on Lee Oswald?

Marguerite Oswald had not heard from Lee in months, and she became worried about her boy ( who she suspected had been sent to Russia by the US government) When JFK was inaugurated in January of 1961 Marguerite took a train to Washington in hope that she could talk to JFK about the disappearance of her son behind the "Iron Curtain".   

Marguerite did not get to talk to JFK but she did talk to one of JFK's aids...who took mama Oswald's plight to JFK.    JFK ordered an investigation to see what had happened to this Oswald kid...and that's when he learned that Lee Oswald was actually a spy for the US government.   JFK was astounded, and fascinated, that someone so young would have the guts to accept such a dangerous mission and  He ordered the US State department to work at bringing Lee Oswald  back to the US.

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