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Offline Jerry Organ

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« Reply #370 on: July 26, 2018, 05:23:41 PM »


Clyde Snow's "upright" angle through the neck was in reference to how the neck structure changes between a life-position and auropsy-position.

When it came to depicting the "wounding position", the HSCA always shows the neck transit ranging downward.



I amended the diagram above (showing the limousine at about Z190) to show the slope from the Oswald window to the limousine at about Z223-25.


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« Reply #371 on: July 27, 2018, 04:07:34 AM »
 Tomlinson and O.P. Wright unanimous rejection of CE 399 was further confirmed by this top secret FBI Airtel , which was never shown to the Warren Commission.


   WFO ( FBI Washington Field Office ), neither DARRELL C. TOMLINSON , who found bullet at Parkland Hospital , Dallas , nor O.P. WRIGHT, Personnel Officer , Parkland Hospital , who obtained bullet from TOMLINSON and gave to Special Service , at Dallas 11/22/63 , can identify it .


Instead , the FBI told the Commission that the two civilians had been interviewed by Special Agent Bardwell Odum, who was told by the men , that the stretcher bullet " appears to be the same one ". But when Josiah Thompson and Dr. Gary Aguilar contacted the National Archives , they found no record of such an interview , in spite of the fact that the FBI was required to document interviews like that. And when they contacted Bardwell Odum in person , he denied ever conducting an interview and stated that he had NEVER even seen CE 399 .

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« Reply #372 on: July 27, 2018, 03:52:15 PM »
The FBI only did a special file for interviews in which such interview disclosures could be used in a potential trial. There was no anticipation there would be such a trial when Odum went to Parkland. Odum's results -- along with some other ongoing FBI investigative work for the Commission -- were documented by the AirTel and the report (in CE 2011) they sent to the Commission.

Odum (82 at the time) said he couldn't remember. We have a mere single page of verbatim transcript from the two interviews Thompson and Aguilar did with Odum ( You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login ). So we don't know how reluctant Odum was to deny he took the bullet -- which had yet to become notorious or controversial -- to Parkland.

If the one page of interview shared is the "best" denial, then it represents Odum's initial reaction in the first minute of the phone interview with Odum, which was the first direct interchange he had with the CTs. It could be Odum at first thought they were talking about the day of the assassination.

The CTs did a follow-up in-person interview (no transcript for that at all) in which they quote no direct denial. Odum apparently suggested that he might have later forgotten about it. There is no indication that Odum was ever shown the Thompson-Aguilar article about him and how they used his words to tarnish the FBI.

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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #373 on: July 27, 2018, 06:02:58 PM »
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Instead , the FBI told the Commission that the two civilians had been interviewed by Special Agent Bardwell Odum, who was told by the men , that the stretcher bullet " appears to be the same one ". But when Josiah Thompson and Dr. Gary Aguilar contacted the National Archives , they found no record of such an interview , in spite of the fact that the FBI was required to document interviews like that. And when they contacted Bardwell Odum in person , he denied ever conducting an interview and stated that he had NEVER even seen CE 399 .

The standard lame excuse for this is that Odum was older and he just forgot.  But when an 83 year old Jim Leavelle recalled stuff to Dale Myers...well you can take that to the bank.
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« Reply #374 on: July 27, 2018, 06:23:07 PM »
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The standard lame excuse for this is that Odum was older and he just forgot.  But when an 83 year old Jim Leavelle recalled stuff to Dale Myers...well you can take that to the bank.

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« Reply #375 on: July 28, 2018, 12:32:59 AM »
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The standard lame excuse for this is that Odum was older and he just forgot.  But when an 83 year old Jim Leavelle recalled stuff to Dale Myers...well you can take that to the bank.



The difference is that Leavelle was just reinforcing the already established evidence whereas Odum was contradicting everything that had gone before.



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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #376 on: July 28, 2018, 02:53:46 PM »
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Clyde Snow's "upright" angle through the neck was in reference to how the neck structure changes between a life-position and auropsy-position.

When it came to depicting the "wounding position", the HSCA always shows the neck transit ranging downward.



I amended the diagram above (showing the limousine at about Z190) to show the slope from the Oswald window to the limousine at about Z223-25.



You have to move the back wound above the neck wound to make your theory work, just like Jerry Ford

and the WC had to.



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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #377 on: July 29, 2018, 02:51:10 PM »
The "anatomical position" is a generic position in which the individual is imagined to be standing upright and the neck area is structurally upright. This is supposed to give a consistency to wound locations so that various autopsy reports can be read with a common body position in mind.


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The HSCA noted in Volume VII that the "anatomical position" differed from the life- or "wounding position". The neck structures changed such that the wound entry that was located perpendicular out from the T1 level (in the "anatomical position") was now above the T1 level (in the "wounding position").

Another source of confusion is that the term "autopsy position" is used interchangably to describe the "anatomical position". Kennedy at autopsy, with his head resting on a chock, had his neck structrues essentially in the life- or "wounding position". I guess the term"autopsy position" began to be used because the "anatomical position" is used at autopsy.

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« Reply #378 on: July 30, 2018, 07:52:52 PM »
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The difference is that Leavelle was just reinforcing the already established evidence whereas Odum was contradicting everything that had gone before.

"Already established evidence".  LOL.

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« Reply #379 on: July 31, 2018, 03:58:38 AM »
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The difference is that Leavelle was just reinforcing the already established evidence whereas Odum was contradicting everything that had gone before.

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« Reply #379 on: July 31, 2018, 03:58:38 AM »