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Offline Gary Craig

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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #310 on: July 28, 2018, 02:53:46 PM »
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Clyde Snow's "upright" angle through the neck was in reference to how the neck structure changes between a life-position and auropsy-position.

When it came to depicting the "wounding position", the HSCA always shows the neck transit ranging downward.



I amended the diagram above (showing the limousine at about Z190) to show the slope from the Oswald window to the limousine at about Z223-25.



You have to move the back wound above the neck wound to make your theory work, just like Jerry Ford

and the WC had to.



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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #310 on: July 28, 2018, 02:53:46 PM »

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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #311 on: July 29, 2018, 02:51:10 PM »
The "anatomical position" is a generic position in which the individual is imagined to be standing upright and the neck area is structurally upright. This is supposed to give a consistency to wound locations so that various autopsy reports can be read with a common body position in mind.


Generic example

The HSCA noted in Volume VII that the "anatomical position" differed from the life- or "wounding position". The neck structures changed such that the wound entry that was located perpendicular out from the T1 level (in the "anatomical position") was now above the T1 level (in the "wounding position").

Another source of confusion is that the term "autopsy position" is used interchangably to describe the "anatomical position". Kennedy at autopsy, with his head resting on a chock, had his neck structrues essentially in the life- or "wounding position". I guess the term"autopsy position" began to be used because the "anatomical position" is used at autopsy.

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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #312 on: July 30, 2018, 07:52:52 PM »
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The difference is that Leavelle was just reinforcing the already established evidence whereas Odum was contradicting everything that had gone before.

"Already established evidence".  LOL.

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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #313 on: August 01, 2018, 08:08:57 PM »
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The "anatomical position" is a generic position in which the individual is imagined to be standing upright and the neck area is structurally upright. This is supposed to give a consistency to wound locations so that various autopsy reports can be read with a common body position in mind.


Generic example

The HSCA noted in Volume VII that the "anatomical position" differed from the life- or "wounding position". The neck structures changed such that the wound entry that was located perpendicular out from the T1 level (in the "anatomical position") was now above the T1 level (in the "wounding position").

Another source of confusion is that the term "autopsy position" is used interchangably to describe the "anatomical position". Kennedy at autopsy, with his head resting on a chock, had his neck structrues essentially in the life- or "wounding position". I guess the term"autopsy position" began to be used because the "anatomical position" is used at autopsy.
Huh?

Are you saying the diagrams of JFK's neck wound the HSCA published don't depict the wounds actual location?


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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #314 on: August 02, 2018, 05:34:02 AM »
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Huh?

Are you saying the diagrams of JFK's neck wound the HSCA published don't depict the wounds actual location?



Gary, that Thomas Canning diagram actually depicts the back wound an inch of two higher than the Ida Dox diagram presented as authentic to the autopsy photographs. Very sneaky  ;D

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Re: The Magic Bullet
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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #315 on: August 02, 2018, 03:56:40 PM »
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The standard lame excuse for this is that Odum was older and he just forgot.  But when an 83 year old Jim Leavelle recalled stuff to Dale Myers...well you can take that to the bank.

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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #316 on: August 02, 2018, 03:59:10 PM »
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Huh?

Are you saying the diagrams of JFK's neck wound the HSCA published don't depict the wounds actual location?



No.
You seem to think the HSCA should have applied (without any adjustment) the wound track shown in their "Autopsy Position" diagram to the moment Kennedy was shot.
Can you point to a Zapruder film frame that shows Kennedy's neck in the anatomical position?

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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #316 on: August 02, 2018, 03:59:10 PM »

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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #317 on: August 02, 2018, 06:06:27 PM »
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Can you point to a Zapruder film frame that shows Kennedy's neck in the anatomical position?

Can you point to a Zapruder film frame that shows Kennedy's neck in this position?


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« Reply #317 on: August 02, 2018, 06:06:27 PM »

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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #318 on: August 03, 2018, 07:22:15 PM »
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No.
You seem to think the HSCA should have applied (without any adjustment) the wound track shown in their "Autopsy Position" diagram to the moment Kennedy was shot.
Can you point to a Zapruder film frame that shows Kennedy's neck in the anatomical position?
"Can you point to a Zapruder film frame that shows Kennedy's neck in the anatomical position?"

Irrelevant!

Show the frame of the Z-film that shows JFK in the position he was in when actually hit by the

alleged "Magic Bullet".

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Re: The Magic Bullet
« Reply #319 on: August 03, 2018, 07:53:48 PM »
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Can you point to a Zapruder film frame that shows Kennedy's neck in this position?



Jerry needs to also physically put himself in JFK's position and show us how the MB worked. For the umpteenth time, get in-between 2 lasers pointed at each other, -17 deg from horizontal and show your body position that matches JFK's entrance/exit wounds and shove it down the CT's throats. WTF are you waiting for? Cheap and easy peasy, but as of yet crickets from the LNers. And you can bet your arse that every LNer that has tried, has failed, otherwise, they would have posted their results faster than a speeding MB! This speaks volumes, IMO.

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