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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #1704 on: October 25, 2019, 04:48:26 PM »
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Now where does it say what you claimed it does?  Where does it say that Tippit was pronounced DOA at 1:15?

Because he was pronounced dead at Methodist Hospital by Dr. Richard Liguori.

Who pronounced him dead while he was lying on the ground on 10th street?  Helen Markham, after she had her conversation with him?

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Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #1705 on: October 25, 2019, 04:51:12 PM »
Hi Bill, it's simple logic,

Every time a nutter makes something up, he calls it "logic".

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if someone is "dead on arrival" that can only mean that they died earlier and somewhere else and it's the job of the doctor at the hospital to make an educated decision to the time of death.
For instance if someone dies sometime during the night and is taken to the hospital the time of death isn't the time the ambulance arrives but the doctor will evaluate the body for temperature, rigor mortis and other stuff and give their professional opinion of the time of death.

Great.  Do you have any evidence that Liguori did such an evaluation before pronouncing Tippit dead?

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« Reply #1706 on: October 25, 2019, 04:53:49 PM »
So Markham could remember a clock face but couldn't remember a human face?

Mr. BALL. You did not? Did you see anybody--I have asked you that question before did you recognize anybody from their face?
Mrs. MARKHAM. From their face, no.

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« Reply #1707 on: October 25, 2019, 04:55:48 PM »
Thomas Atkins was a naval officer who was assigned to the White House to document the President's activities. He was chosen for that position because he was good at his job in the navy. His job required that had to be at events on time. The President wasn't likely to wait for Atkins to catch up (because his wristwatch was out of sync).

Wasn't the motorcade late in departing?

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They had all just traveled from Washington DC to a different (central) time zone on 11/21/63. Therefore Atkins would have needed to set his wristwatch to central time. That would have been a logical, and likely, reason to  sync his wristwatch with the official time.

No, it was a likely reason to move his watch back an hour from whatever time it was currently showing.

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« Reply #1708 on: October 25, 2019, 05:25:40 PM »
You're missing the point, a huge part of your evidence relies on a "screwball" who said she was catching a 1:12 bus at 1:15 and an an unsynchronised clock.
And as for your other evidence I've already shown that Bowley's watch was never shown to be accurate.
DOA doesn't mean the time the ambulance arrives.
I presented a ton of eyewitnesses who all say the time was closer to 1:30, which must be equally analysed.
The DPD time is still accurate within a reasonable margin of error.

Anyway let's not forget that these time guesses are only a small part of the evidence because;

Oswald was positively identified with a gun at the scene of the crime.
Oswald's PO Box received a revolver, the same revolver he was arrested with.
Oswald dropped shells at the scene.
The shells that were seen dropped by Oswald were an exclusive match to the revolver he was arrested with.
Nicol provided photographic evidence that one bullet in Tippit came from Oswald's revolver.
The jacket Oswald was wearing was recovered from a carpark he was seen entering.
Oswald appeared to hide outside a shoe store.
Oswald waited for the Police car to move away before he continued.
Oswald snuck into a theatre.
Oswald tried to kill more police.

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The shells that were seen dropped by Oswald were an exclusive match to the revolver he was arrested with.

First let's parse that sentence...and correct the inaccuracies. The shells that were seen dropped by the killer, were an exclusive match to the revolver that ALLEGEDLY turned up at the Texas  Theater......

Now let's break that sentence down...The shells that were seen dropped by the killer, were found scattered over a wide area near the murder scene.  Witnesses said the man removed ONE SHELL AT A TIME from the gun he had used to shoot Tippit.    This statement by witnesses means that the man was NOT using a Smith & Wesson revolver.    The S&W revolver ejects all shells from the cylinder in a single stroke of the ejector and it is not unloded of spent shells by picking them out one by one, as the killer was seen doing.   The revolver that magically appeared at the Texas Theater was a Smith & Wesson.... so it was NOT the gun that the witnesses saw being unloaded one shell at a time as the killer walked away.

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« Reply #1709 on: October 25, 2019, 05:29:28 PM »
Mr. BALL. You did not? Did you see anybody--I have asked you that question before did you recognize anybody from their face?
Mrs. MARKHAM. From their face, no.

Did you see anybody--I have asked you that question before

Was this a veiled attempt to prod Markham and remind her of what had been rehearsed ?

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« Reply #1710 on: October 25, 2019, 05:35:05 PM »
The revolver that magically appeared at the Texas Theater was a Smith & Wesson.... so it was NOT the gun that the witnesses saw being unloaded one shell at a time as the killer walked away.

Correction:  The revolver that magically appeared in Gerald Hill's pocket.

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« Reply #1711 on: October 25, 2019, 05:36:17 PM »
Did you see anybody--I have asked you that question before

Was this a veiled attempt to prod Markham and remind her of what had been rehearsed ?

Yep.  There are signs in several testimonies that people were coached beforehand.