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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #650 on: June 18, 2018, 02:00:41 AM »
No delusions at all. You really did give up more than you maybe wanted to.


Oh, but I've been assured there is, and by someone who actually knows for sure. It's not a concisely-written thing like you'll find from ISO or ANSI or an IETF RFC, but made up of guidelines and appellate (and maybe even Supreme) court decisions. Oh, and it's tied into admissibility.


You presumed that "there isn't a official standard. It doesn?t exist!" That is totally wrong. So much for "never."

You presumed that "there isn't a official standard. It doesn?t exist!" That is totally wrong. So much for "never."

If there was an official standard you would be able to search for and find the relevant document(s) and show it here. The mere fact that you pathetically try to fall back on an alleged assurance by some unnamed person who you claim `knows for sure "is telling enough". You will not be able to produce a document containing an official standard simply because it doesn?t exist.

And you in fact have admitted as much.... by saying (1) that there is no "concisely-written thing" and (2) that it is "made up of guidelines and appellate (and maybe even Supreme) court decisions" which is actually nothing more than jurisprudence.



Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #651 on: June 18, 2018, 02:17:29 AM »
Evidently not when Poe and Barnes testified.

You want to try again?

Neither Poe nor Barnes had anything to do with the Davis shells.

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #652 on: June 18, 2018, 02:18:26 AM »
And the marks read?

However Dhority and Doughty marked them.

Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #653 on: June 18, 2018, 02:21:32 AM »
What was the one he had, that used to come up as a little box on the screen, supposed to be then Tim?

(ie the 2 minute excerpt with the citizen(Bowley?Benavides) calling in on it and a bit before it and a minute or so after it.)

I mean at that time I checked it in other places round the internet and they were all the same time and statements. :)

I don't recall him having a little box on the screen. Whatever it was , it was not the actual original Police radio broadcast tape.

Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #654 on: June 18, 2018, 02:28:05 AM »
EDIT by reply quoting -

ALSO Tim I found this from Herberts posting on another forum.
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"See the following link for the audio segment used in this article.
 
http://hdblenner.com/temps/tippit.wav
 
The transcripts of radio traffic on Channel-I and an audio file reportedly originating from the dictabelt show that the authorities altered the sequence of recorded events surrounding the murder of Officer Tippit."
 
Part One - Activity on the Primary Police Channel-I
 
When police initially arrived at the scene of the Tippit shooting, the dictabelt had recorded six addresses for the location of the crime scene. This situation is particularly difficult to dismiss since a citizen reported the shooting to the police over the two-way radio of Tippit?s patrol car.

Herb used to make a lot of oddball claims. That the dictabelt recorded numerous different addresses for the location of the crime scene doesn't mean that it was altered in any way. It just shows that there was a lot of confusion at the time.

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« Reply #655 on: June 18, 2018, 02:30:38 AM »
I am I wrong in seeing the seemingly lack of a response to the citizen phone in on Tppits radio? I believe Last time it came up there was silence

What are you looking for Matt?

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #656 on: June 18, 2018, 02:33:52 AM »
You presumed that "there isn't a official standard. It doesn?t exist!" That is totally wrong. So much for "never."

If there was an official standard you would be able to search for and find the relevant document(s) and show it here. The mere fact that you pathetically try to fall back on an alleged assurance by some unnamed person who you claim `knows for sure "is telling enough". You will not be able to produce a document containing an official standard simply because it doesn?t exist.

And you in fact have admitted as much.... by saying (1) that there is no "concisely-written thing" and (2) that it is "made up of guidelines and appellate (and maybe even Supreme) court decisions" which is actually nothing more than jurisprudence.

"Nothing more than jurisprudence" you say. Do you actually believe that jurisprudence does not itself set standards to keep the judicial process as uniform and transparent as possible? That it doesn't set rules and tests as to what can be properly admitted and weighed as evidence? Now that would be a funny thing to believe! And no, it's not something that is written in stone in one hundred words or less, Ten Commandments-style. But it doesn't have to be short, concise, pithy, or terse to be a standard.
 

Offline Matt Grantham

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« Reply #657 on: June 18, 2018, 02:38:51 AM »
 A few quotes from Bill Simpich's research at JFK facts

Both 38 special and 38 automatic hulls are clearly identified at their base ?- Hill?s misidentification cannot be passed off as a simple mistake.

Officer J.M. Poe told the FBI that he marked these hulls with his initials ?JMP?. When he testified before the Commission, Poe stated under oath that he could not swear that he initialed these hulls. Hence, there was no chain of custody.

Officer Jerry Hill complicated matters still further by claiming that Poe showed him three hulls

 In the face of a very carefully phrased question by David Belin, Hill denied under oath that he made the radio call about the finding of 38 automatic hulls at 1:40 pm. Hill claimed that he wasn?t using his call number ?550-2? as much as another officer, and that it was wrong to think that he made the call.

Twenty-two years later, in 1986, Hill admitted to researcher Dale Myers that he made the call. When he was asked how he determined that the hulls were 38 caliber, Hill said, ?Thirty-eight?s stamped on the bottom of it. I looked on the bottom.?

It could be argued that the two hulls found by two sisters, Barbara and Virginia Davis should be admitted because of the clear stories about two different officers that received them from the Davis sisters.

Hill told Dale Myers that all of the shells found within a foot and a half of each other.  The problem with Hill?s story is that the police reports and testimony state that the four shells were found many yards apart.

Hill wrote in his report that one of the shells had a hammer mark on the primer.

Firearms and toolmark expert Cortlandt Cunningham testified to the Warren Commission, ?We found nothing to indicate that this weapon?s firing pin had struck the primer of any of these cartridges.? In other words, Cunningham called Hill a liar.

Furthermore, the Davis sisters said that the marked hulls were not the hulls that they originally provided to the police


On this last quote in regard to the Davis Sisters is from Volume XXIV, page 414 but no direct link to fin that

 It seems the Davis sisters told officers said they saw a man running across their lawn shortly after the shooting but the officers cannot find them and the sisters find them later Just trying to see if I am getting this right  Is there a clear time the Davis sisters found the shells? The area was not cordoned off apparently?


 I assume there is at least a transcript of Hills call at 1:40 if not a recording



 From D Perry


1) The Bullets

From page 250 ~ "The bullets removed from Tippit's body during the autopsy were marked and turned over to the FBI, along with the bullet and police button removed earlier at Methodist Hospital."

If this statement is accurate then what are we to make of the comment found in Warren Commission Volume III, page 474?

"Cunningham later went back to the Dallas Police Department at the request of the Commission and found three more bullets."

The truth is no bullets were ever turned over to the FBI. Cunningham returned to Dallas months later, went through some file cabinets and came up with the bullets. As far as I'm concerned a clear break in the chain of custody.

Your statement that "no bullets were ever turned over to the FBI" is incorrect.

One bullet and a uniform button were turned over to the FBI for testing on the night of 11-22-63. The three other bullets were turned over to the FBI on 3-13-64 after the first bullet proved insufficient to determine the source weapon. All of this information is detailed in With Malice (pp.641-42, endnote 697)

The Cunningham remark is a small part of how the FBI came to possess all of the bullets. (See endnote 697)

As far as "a clear break in the chain of custody," all of the bullets were identified by the markings placed on them. The bullet and button removed at Methodist was marked by R.A. Davenport and the three bullets removed at Parkland during the autopsy were marked by Earl F. Rose. (24H415 CE2011, p.9)
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #658 on: June 18, 2018, 02:45:35 AM »
What are you looking for Matt?

 It sounds like the reports of four or six addresses of the location caused confusion Wouldn't a call from the officers car take some precedent over the others and clear up the situation?
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Offline Steve Howsley

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #659 on: June 18, 2018, 02:52:40 AM »
So the fact that the shells in evidence CANNOT be shown to have been found at the crime scene doesn't bother you at all. This says all that we need to know about you.

If the shells were switched, why would the switcher throw them in the front yard of a house further down the street? You could hardly throw them that far when standing in the spot where Tippet's killer fired. It doesn't make sense that the shells were picked up (every last one of them) and furled down the street away from the scene. Anyone who believes that has lost the plot.

 

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