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Online Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #570 on: June 16, 2018, 04:40:23 AM »
Super -Duper Ultra right wing Kennedy hater asst DA Bill Alexander tagged along with the dynamic duo of Hill and Westbrook. None of these guys were homicide investigators. They were personnel department officers and a prosecutor. Who knows what they were really up to? William Alexander never testified to the Warren Commission.

Offline Bill Brown

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« Reply #571 on: June 16, 2018, 04:48:20 AM »
You are technically correct, but I needed to get the nomenclature issue out of the way first. I also helps that you acknowledged what I said.

Hill would later say that he assumed they were from an automatic because of the way they were scattered. I think there may be more to it than that. Think of Summers' transmission about a ".32 dark finish automatic." Some witness at the scene had to be talking about an auto, and I wouldn't be surprised if Hill heard that description ,or about it, and it influenced his thinking. He hears about a witness describing a .32 auto, sees the .38 Special cases scattered about (and no .32 cases or reports of extra gunmen), and figures that no witness would really be able to tell the caliber of the pistol simply from looking at it from 20 feet away. Therefore, an automatic pistol firing .38 special.

BTW, any more, Ted Callaway is generally held to be the witness responsible for the .32 dark finish automatic . He never got closer to it than the width of Patton Ave, which Google tells me is 30' curb to curb and 45' from sidewalk to sidewalk*. I wouldn't put that much significance to his ID, other than the two things easily divined at that distance: it's size and color. A .32 auto is a relatively compact weapon, and Summers said it best: "dark finish". Both of which happen to fit the description of Oswald's stubby-barreled pistol.

* sidewalks along that stretch of Patton have been redone, so may not be where they were in 1963.

The FBI estimated that the closest Callaway was to Oswald was fifty-six feet.

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #572 on: June 16, 2018, 04:54:06 AM »
The Tippit shooting star witness-Helen Markham stated that she left her house at 1:00 as she usually did. That time was dismissed....she must have been 'mistaken'.
She could not point out LHO and say 'That's him there!'
Even after being prepped for her testimony, she still wasn't sure [already posted here umpteen times] The Davis girls didn't put their initials on the shells did they? That starts the CoE legally.

Supposedly "being prepped for her testimony" in 1964 has absolutely nothing to do with her positive identification of Lee Oswald as the killer on Nov. 22, 1963.

Online Mitch Todd

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #573 on: June 16, 2018, 04:56:43 AM »
Who said anything about Oswald? My post had a title for easy reading - so I thought
I cited "Seven officers that wrote: a suspect arrested or questioned in the balcony"
did they not write one of these in their report?

Neither Buhk nor Carroll mentioned an arrest on the balcony or any questioning of any suspects on the balcony. You're still completely wrong there.

Cunningham and Toney did start asking questions of a guy sitting on or next to the stairs on the balcony, but it doesn't sound like he'd risen to the level of actually being a suspect. Toney said the "manager on duty" told them that "this subject had been in the theater since about 12:05," and that was the end of it.
 

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #574 on: June 16, 2018, 05:02:53 AM »

I would suggest that your bar is exceedingly high. Its not one that courts of law adhere to.


Since when are you an expert on how high or low courts of law determine the bar must be?

I wasn't even aware that some sort of universal standard existed, so please enlighten me.....

Btw, Tim, I find it somewhat odd that you seem to feel that merely asking for a sound and conclusive chain of custody for a piece of evidence is somehow raising the bar "exceedingly high".

Offline Bill Brown

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« Reply #575 on: June 16, 2018, 05:03:19 AM »
The legal chain of custody does not start until the first law enforcement officer takes possession.

That's exactly right... and those law enforcement officers (Doughty and Dhority) later both positively identified the two shells as the shells turned over to them by the Davis girls.

A proper chain of possession must be maintained from the time it is collected by law enforcement personnel to the time it appears in court.

These clowns can claim there is a problem with the chain of custody, but any clown can make any claim they want, no matter how hollow, unfounded and wrong the claim is.  It is another thing entirely to actually show what the chain of custody problem is.
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #576 on: June 16, 2018, 05:12:36 AM »
So every available officer was needed to check out a kid running across the lawn? Why not send a few and also get the man in the parking lot? Please explain why BOTH couldn't have been done.

Cite for your absurd claim that every available officer ended up going to the library.

C.T. Walker, after seeing the man (Hamby) run into the library, radioed to dispatch that he was going around to the back and he wanted dispatch to get someone to watch the front.

Online Mitch Todd

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #577 on: June 16, 2018, 05:14:39 AM »
Baloney. Automatic and pistol shells look nothing alike. An experienced officer like Hill wouldn't make that mistake.

There are a lot of colt 1911's out there chambered for .38 special, and you can get Desert Eagles chambered for "revolver" cartridges like .357 magnum and .44 magnum. There are revolvers that are chambered for .380 ACP, 9mm luger, and other "auto" cartridges. rimfire .22 has been fired out of revolvers, semi-autos, pump-action, lever action, single shot, and hamster-driven firearms for decades.  No matter what *you* think a cartridge was designed for, some gunsmith is willing to design a different sort of weapon around it, and has done so. It's been that way for a very long time.

Online Mitch Todd

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #578 on: June 16, 2018, 05:16:07 AM »
Since when are you an expert on how high or low courts of law determine the bar must be?

I wasn't even aware that some sort of universal standard existed, so please enlighten me.....

Btw, Tim, I find it somewhat odd that you seem to feel that merely asking for a sound and conclusive chain of custody for a piece of evidence is somehow raising the bar "exceedingly high".

Exactly what expertise do *you* have in determining proper chain of custody. I mean, outside of the JFK case?

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #579 on: June 16, 2018, 05:18:46 AM »
That's exactly right... and those law enforcement officers (Doughty and Dhority) later both positively identified the two shells as the shells turned over to them by the Davis girls.

A proper chain of possession must be maintained from the time it is collected by law enforcement personnel to the time it appears in court.

These clowns can claim there is a problem with the chain of custody, but any clown can make any claim they want, no matter how hollow, unfounded and wrong the claim is.  It is another thing entirely to actually show what the chain of custody problem is.

Well , these guys are all attorneys . Experts in trial law. It doesn't matter if he did it or not. The I's aren't dotted and the T's aren't crossed. His civil rights were violated (so the attorneys claim) so he's innocent.


These are the same clowns that come on here and claim they don't have a horse in the race. They don't care if Oswald did it or not. They sit their lame asses on the fence and don't have the sack to just fess up and say they're CONSPIRACY THEORISTS. In spite of the fact that the only people that they oppose are Lone Nut theorists. They sit there and watch nutbag after nutbag come on here and spew the most insane foolish fish tales and NEVER say a word . What a collection of frauds. You know who you are. We know who you are.

 

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