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Online Mitch Todd

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #540 on: June 15, 2018, 03:01:56 AM »
[...] the Westbrook wallet, which was not initialed by police, not listed in inventory, not photographed, not mentioned by a single witness to the FBI, WC, HSCA, ARRB, etc. and disappeared, but not before it was filmed by WFAA TV and seen by FBI agent Barrett.

We don't know whose wallet is in the WFAA film. The Barrett wallet is a 30+ year after the fact memory, and one filtered through someone else.

That leaves you with  "not initialed by police, not listed in inventory, not photographed, not mentioned by a single witness to the FBI, WC, HSCA, ARRB, etc." which is a pretty good way of saying that it never existed in the first place.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #541 on: June 15, 2018, 04:22:56 AM »
 After all the earlier post after post..[reciting firearm nomenclature etc].. endeavor to blow smoke up and down the street ...the fact remains that car 550 [whoever it was] reported ...

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The shells at the scene indicate that the suspect is armed with an automatic 38, rather than a pistol.

Narrowing it down to an automatic  handgun...seems clear to me.
Although, I think he meant -rather than a revolver

Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #542 on: June 15, 2018, 04:39:20 AM »
It's Stringfellow, not Springfellow. And from the looks of his report, he wasn't present at the arrest.

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BTW, you are quoting Bill Kelly, who is quoting Douglas who is quoting....God knows what. That may not be the wisest thing to rely on.

The reports of the officers of the guys on scene are at the Dallas City archives:

02   07   001   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/02/63   E. R. Baggett   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000632
02   07   002   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/02/63   E. R. Baggett   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000633
02   07   003   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/02/63   E. R. Baggett   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000635
02   07   004   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   P. L. Bentley   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000636
02   07   005   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   P. L. Bentley   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000638
02   07   006   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   P. L. Bentley   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000641
02   07   007   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   P. L. Bentley   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000643
02   07   008   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   Marvin A. Buhk   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000644
02   07   009   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   Marvin A. Buhk   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000646
02   07   010   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   Marvin A. Buhk   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000647
02   07   011   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   Marvin A. Buhk   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000648
02   07   012   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/04/63   Bob K. Carroll   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000649
02   07   013   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/04/63   Bob K. Carroll   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000651
02   07   014   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/04/63   Bob K. Carroll   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000653
02   07   015   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   E. L. Cunningham   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000654
02   07   016   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   E. L. Cunningham   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000655
02   07   017   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   E. L. Cunningham   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000657
02   07   018   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/02/63   Ray Hawkins   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000659
02   07   019   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/02/63   Ray Hawkins   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000660
02   07   020   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/02/63   Ray Hawkins   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000661
02   07   021   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/02/63   Ray Hawkins   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000663
02   07   022   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/05/63   Gerald L. Hill   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000665
02   07   023   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/05/63   Gerald L. Hill   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000666
02   07   024   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/05/63   Gerald L. Hill   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000668
02   07   025   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   T. A. Hutson   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000669
02   07   026   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   T. A. Hutson   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000671
02   07   027   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   T. A. Hutson   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000673
02   07   028   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/04/63   K. E. Lyon   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000675
02   07   029   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/04/63   K. E. Lyon   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000676
02   07   030   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/04/63   K. E. Lyon   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000678
02   07   031   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/04/63   K. E. Lyon   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000679
02   07   032   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   M. M. McDonald   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000680
02   07   033   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   M. M. McDonald   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000681
02   07   034   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   M. M. McDonald   Carbon Copy Signed   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald (carbon copy, 2nd page only.  This carbon copy differs from other copies of this report.  It is single spaced, whereas previous copies are double spaced)   1   00000682
02   07   035   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   E. E. Taylor   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000683
02   07   036   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   E. E. Taylor   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000684
02   07   037   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   E. E. Taylor   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000685
02   07   038   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   E. E. Taylor   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000686
02   07   039   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   H. H. Stringer   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000687
02   07   040   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   H. H. Stringer   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000688
02   07   041   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   H. H. Stringer   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000690
02   07   042   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   H. H. Stringer   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000691
02   07   043   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   J. B. Toney   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000693
02   07   044   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   J. B. Toney   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000694
02   07   045   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   J. B. Toney   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000697
02   07   046   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   J. B. Toney   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000699
02   07   047   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/02/63   Charles T. Walker   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000700
02   07   048   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/02/63   Charles T. Walker   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000702
02   07   049   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/02/63   Charles T. Walker   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000704
02   07   050   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   W. R. Westbrook   Original   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000705
02   07   051   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   W. R. Westbrook   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000707
02   07   052   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   W. R. Westbrook   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000709
02   07   053   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   W. R. Westbrook   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000710
02   07   054   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/05/63   Gerald L. Hill   Carbon Copy Signed   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   2   00000727
02   07   055   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   E. E. Taylor   Carbon Copy Signed   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000729
02   07   056   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   Marvin A. Buhk   Carbon Copy Signed   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000730
02   07   057   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/02/63   Ray Hawkins   Carbon Copy Signed   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000732
02   07   058   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   W. R. Westbrook   Carbon Copy Signed and Annotated   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000734
02   07   059   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/04/63   Bob K. Carroll   Carbon Copy Signed   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000736
02   07   060   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   H. H. Stringer   Carbon Copy Signed   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000738
02   07   061   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   K. E. Lyon   Carbon Copy Signed   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000740
02   07   062   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   J. B. Toney   Carbon Copy Signed   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000743
02   07   063   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   M. M. McDonald   Carbon Copy   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald (Carbon copy,  first page only.  This report differs from previous reports.  It is single spaced whereas previous versions are double spaced)   1   00000746
02   07   064   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/02/63   E. R. Baggett   Carbon Copy Signed   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald   1   00000748
02   07   065   Report to Chief J. E. Curry   12/03/63   E. L. Cunningham   Carbon Copy Signed   Report concerning the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald 

Most of these are dupes, but that looks like the whole list.

Why are all the reports dated the 1st week in December?

Where are all the reports and witness affidavits from the date of LHO's arrest at the Texas Theater?

Online Mitch Todd

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #543 on: June 15, 2018, 04:42:05 AM »
After all the earlier post after post..[reciting firearm nomenclature etc].. endeavor to blow smoke up and down the street ...the fact remains that car 550 [whoever it was] reported ...

Narrowing it down to an automatic  handgun...seems clear to me.
Although, I think he meant -rather than a revolver

.....when confronted with more powerful amps that go to ten, Nigel Tufnel can only say "...but.....this one goes to eleven!"

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #544 on: June 15, 2018, 07:16:31 AM »
After all the earlier post after post..[reciting firearm nomenclature etc].. endeavor to blow smoke up and down the street ...the fact remains that car 550 [whoever it was] reported ...

Narrowing it down to an automatic  handgun...seems clear to me.

If the shells were from an automatic weapon, why weren't they found near Tippit's patrol car where the shooter was standing when he fired the shots?  The shells were found about one hundred feet away.  Do you seriously believe the killer went through the process of picking up the shells that had just been automatically ejected only to throw them down once he reached the Davis yard?  Please explain.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #545 on: June 15, 2018, 07:24:06 AM »
I always find it sad that some have no problem with the DPD calling everyone to the library because a kid was running across the lawn when they had a man cornered in the lot behind the gas station.

And if other officers were NOT called to the library, you would then criticize them for not exhausting all possible leads since they knew the patsy was in the theater.  In fact, I've seen you do this exact sort of thing more than once.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #546 on: June 15, 2018, 09:26:49 AM »
Gerald Hill, regarding the writing of the arrest report...

I explained to trim that this was the suspect on Tippit and did he want us to make up the arrest sheet, or would they make them up.
We were trying to get together to decide who was going to make the offense report and get all the little technicalities out of the way when a detective named Richard Stovall and another one, G. F. Rose, came up, and the four of us were standing when Captain Fritz walked in.
He walked up to Rose and Stovall and made the statement to them, "Go get a search warrant and go out to some address on Fifth Street," and I don't recall the actual street number, in Irving, and "pick up a man named Lee Oswald."
And I asked the captain why he wanted him, and he said, "Well, he was employed down at the Book Depository and he had not been present for a roll call of the employees."
And we said, "Captain, we will save you a trip," or words to that effect, "Because there he sits."
And with that, we relinquished our prisoner to the homicide and robbery bureau, to Captain Fritz.
Walker, Bentley, Lyons, Carroll, and I knew that the prisoner had received a laceration and bruises while effecting his arrest, and that an officer had been scratched while effecting the arrest, and that Bentley had sprained an ankle, and Lyons had sprained an ankle while effecting the arrest--they were fixing to have to make a whole bushel basket of reports--we adjourned to the personnel office, which was further down the hall from homicide and I sat down and started to try to organize the first report on the arrest.
I originally had the heading on it, "Injuries sustained by suspect while effecting his arrest in connection with the murder of Officer J. D. Tippit," and a few minutes later Captain Westbrook came in the office and said that our suspect had admitted being a Communist. This is strictly hearsay. I did not hear it myself.
He himself also said a few minutes later he had previously been in the Marine Corps, had a dishonorable discharge, had been to Russia, and had had some trouble with the police in New Orleans for passing out pro-Castro literature.
This still is all hearsay because I didn't actually hear it firsthand myself.
And at about this point Captain Westbrook suggested that I change the heading of my report to include arrest of the suspect in the assassination of the President and in the murder of Officer J. D. Tippit, which I did.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #547 on: June 15, 2018, 01:25:22 PM »
Your lingo lesson and speculation into what Hill meant will not change the transcript showing "Automatic" referred to the weapon.

I agree with Todd.....  Hill simply thought that the marking 38 SPL ( 38 special) indicated a automatic handgun. 

But we know from numerous witnesses that the man who shot JD Tippit was using a REVOLVER....So arguing about Hill's proclamation is a waste of time and a distractraction from the FACTS. 

This debate is akin to the silly distraction about a mauser being found hidden beneath the boxes on the sixth floor when it is abundantly clear that the rifle was a Mannlicher Carcano.   Arguing about whether the gun used by Tippit's killer was a automatic or a revolver is a game for those who want to distract.

The eyewitnesses and the shells that were widely disbursed at the scene speak loud and clear.... The Killer was using a REVOLVER and it was NOT a Smith and Wesson.   

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #548 on: June 15, 2018, 04:48:24 PM »
What is it you need from me? Tim and I had the conversation and the issue was addressed Do I owe you some extra confession? Paraphrasing happens and sometimes a person leaves something out that is not as important as it is to those on the other side?  Also I remain unconvinced of the significance

Just get your facts straight re witness testimony. They were there. We weren't.

You have just shown that accurate quoting of a witness is not important to you. You definitely fit right in with the CT crowd around here

You CTers are nothing but a gang of gaslighters.


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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #549 on: June 15, 2018, 05:07:16 PM »
Just get your facts straight re witness testimony. They were there. We weren't.

You have just shown that accurate quoting of a witness is not important to you. You definitely fit right in with the CT crowd around here

You CTers are nothing but a gang of gaslighters.

 On it goes. Generally when I quote directly it is clear that I am doing so. Therefore when paraphrasing is occurring some folks without agendas are able to understand the difference Was there an indication I was quoting Barrett directly?
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