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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #450 on: June 12, 2018, 11:40:18 PM »
Why do people constantly state that the police were dispatched to the theater because a man didn't buy a ticket.
The FBI was there also...for a kid sneaking into a movie?
Now how come?
Anybody?

Online Richard Rubio

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #451 on: June 12, 2018, 11:52:10 PM »
The FBI was there also...for a kid sneaking into a movie?
Now how come?
Anybody?

At this point, the Texas Theater and the place JFK  and Jack Tippit were killed are very close to together.

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. "A cop isn't shot three miles away from where the President is shot unless there's something connected," Aynesworth observes.(6)

http://www.jfk-online.com/jfk100theatre.html

That would make me edgy, say if Martin Luther King Jr. was killed and a short distance away, a policeman was killed. Someone looks a bit suspicious and goes into a theater without paying?  It might raised the eyebrows of some.

FBI There? I don't know, I'm sure they would be a citywide manhunt.

Online Mitch Todd

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« Reply #452 on: June 12, 2018, 11:55:35 PM »
You can't resist arrest if there is no legal reason for the arrest. The DPD had no legal right to arrest LHO, therefore, he was defending himself. I have cited numerous court rulings on this.

If you allow the police to arrest people for no reason then you no longer live in a free country.


This is the best post I've seen posted in a long time....


Texas Penal code on the subject:

https://codes.findlaw.com/tx/penal-code/penal-sect-38-03.html

Specifically, subsection (b): "It is no defense to prosecution under this section that the arrest or search was unlawful"

And the ruling that seems to be the final word on the current state of jurisprudence on the subject, at least in Texas :

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1769045/ford-v-state/

At least, that's in 1976, affirming a 1973 decision, and referencing a similar 1970 decision. That leaves the question whether it was any different in 1963. I kinda doubt it, but you can try.


Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #453 on: June 13, 2018, 12:45:25 AM »
At this point, the Texas Theater and the place JFK  and Jack Tippit were killed are very close to together.

 
Richard -
I've read the Reitzes stuff.
According to Dave Reitzes, Oliver Stone didn't get anything right.
However According to Reitzes, Posner, Bugliosi and all the parrots who conducted their armchair investigation...the Dallas Police got everything right within 80 minutes of the assassination.
No one [esp. the Dallas Police] is that good.
The police claimed that the arrest came based on a 'anonymous tip'.
The number of times that the police state that 'somebody told me' is ridiculous.
The "FBI" that was present at the arrest was never identified.
So how would we know if they were really FBI?
Was that "FBI" guy really the tipster?
Like 'Yeah there he is...that's the guy'
Do a search in this forum on Gerald Hill [SuperCop] 


 
 

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #454 on: June 13, 2018, 01:09:45 AM »
Richard -
I've read the Reitzes stuff.
According to Dave Reitzes, Oliver Stone didn't get anything right.
However According to Reitzes, Posner, Bugliosi and all the parrots who conducted their armchair investigation...the Dallas Police got everything right within 80 minutes of the assassination.
No one [esp. the Dallas Police] is that good.
The police claimed that the arrest came based on a 'anonymous tip'.
The number of times that the police state that 'somebody told me' is ridiculous.
The "FBI" that was present at the arrest was never identified.
So how would we know if they were really FBI?
Was that "FBI" guy really the tipster?
Like 'Yeah there he is...that's the guy'
Do a search in this forum on Gerald Hill [SuperCop] 


Jerry, there were two FBI agents at the Texas Theatre when Oswald was arrested. Bardwell Odum and Robert Bartlett. They both recorded what they witnessed there in FD-302s.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #455 on: June 13, 2018, 01:59:23 AM »
Jerry, there were two FBI agents at the Texas Theatre when Oswald was arrested. Bardwell Odum and Robert Bartlett. They both recorded what they witnessed there in FD-302s.

Jerry, there were two FBI agents at the Texas Theatre when Oswald was arrested. Bardwell Odum and Robert Bartlett. They both recorded what they witnessed there in FD-302s.


There were THREE of J.Edgar Hoover's "Extra Special" agents in the Texas Theater BEFORE and during Lee Oswald's arrest....

They were Bardwell Odum, Robert Barrett, and Jim Swinford.  These agents did not work out of the Dallas FBI office....So WHAT were they doing there BEFORE Lee Oswald was grabbed by the DPD???

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« Reply #456 on: June 13, 2018, 02:40:27 AM »
Jerry, there were two FBI agents at the Texas Theatre when Oswald was arrested. Bardwell Odum and Robert Bartlett. They both recorded what they witnessed there in FD-302s.


There were THREE of J.Edgar Hoover's "Extra Special" agents in the Texas Theater BEFORE and during Lee Oswald's arrest....

They were Bardwell Odum, Robert Barrett, and Jim Swinford.  These agents did not work out of the Dallas FBI office....So WHAT were they doing there BEFORE Lee Oswald was grabbed by the DPD???

I haven't been able to confirm that Swinford was there. Apparently, Hosty wrote in his book that Swinford was there but I can find nothing more than that. Bardwell Odum, Robert Barrett, and Jim Swinford all worked out of the Dallas FBI office.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #457 on: June 13, 2018, 03:42:01 AM »

 
I haven't been able to confirm that Swinford was there. Apparently, Hosty wrote in his book that Swinford was there but I can find nothing more than that. Bardwell Odum, Robert Barrett, and Jim Swinford all worked out of the Dallas FBI office.
 
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Attached are memoranda fr4m SA's assigned to Dallas in headquarters city, as of 11/22/63, plus memos from RA's who were in Dallas on that day.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/F%20Disk/FBI/FBI%20Dallas%20Field%20Office%20Agents/Item%2003.pdf
 
 Looks like James Swinford NYC? transferred to Dallas maybe  [did not see the parade]
 Robert Barrett [BH?] [didn't see it either].
 Bardwell Odum   [did not see the motorcade].

I guess they were busy doing something else?
So everybody but the Canadian Mounties and the Texas Rangers converged upon that theater in the space of 5-10 minutes.
Incredible work there.

RC....I believe he was arrested at 1:37 ??

Offline Howard Gee

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #458 on: June 13, 2018, 11:06:50 AM »
   
So everybody but the Canadian Mounties and the Texas Rangers converged upon that theater in the space of 5-10 minutes.
Incredible work there.

Nothing incredible about it at all.

A cop had just been murdered and the President assassinated.

Most people with a brain were wondering if the killings were related.

So when the call goes out that a suspect in the cop killing might be holed up in the Texas Theater, you can bet your kook azz that law enforcement was going to swarm.

And it wasn't just law enforcement, as evidenced by the dozens of citizens that also converged in time to see Saint Oz dragged out of the theater.

KOOKS DON'T HAVE A CLUE

Online Richard Smith

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #459 on: June 13, 2018, 01:09:02 PM »
My claim? Does the arrest report not show a time of 1:40? Was he arrested at that time or not?

Real simple.  The arrest report contains the location and names of the arresting officers.  If it was written prior to Oswald's arrest (as you have repeatedly claimed), then how could anyone have known that information?  If you accept that this information could not have been known to anyone at 1:40 because the arrest had not happened, then the only conclusion that can be drawn is that the arrest report was written after 1:40 and that the time notation is simply an approximation of the time of arrest.  Not the time that is was written.  This is not rocket science.  Simply repeating over and over that 1:40 is written on the report (something that no one has disputed) doesn't advance the discussion.

 

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