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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #140 on: May 22, 2018, 07:11:01 PM »
Right...... BS:
Hill screwed up alright.
His superiors apparently motivated him to be 'more clear'.
He failed to properly cover his backside.
Quoting directly from the DPD transcript.....



The above is a .38 auto [.380]
The below is a .38 special




A police officer would know the difference.
Actually, a blind man could know the difference!


A police officer would know the difference.

But a police officer whose mind was going at lightning speed because their patsy was still on the loose may have blurted out something really stupid ...like referring to the shell as having been fired from an automatic.     

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #141 on: May 22, 2018, 07:14:26 PM »
Callaway was familiar with hand guns ( as he testified) so he would recognize a gun......But he was not familiar with Lee Oswald .....so there's no way he could identify the man with the dark- finish automatic pistol as Lee Oswald.

The FBI came out to see Callaway.  They estimated that the closest Callaway was to the killer was fifty-six feet.  That distance is plenty close enough to positively identify someone.  However, when trying to determine if a handgun is an automatic pistol or a revolver while the killer (who is running) has his fingers wrapped around it and you're fifty-six feet away, it is perfectly reasonable (this is where I lose you) to assume the weapon is an automatic when in reality it is a revolver.
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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #142 on: May 22, 2018, 07:22:13 PM »
Sure did, then claiming "I put a mark in them":

You have been cranking out this cop killer BS out for how long now, a decade?

If the shells were fired from an automatic weapon, why weren't they found near the patrol car where the killer was standing when he fired the shots?  How could shells from an auto have landed about one hundred feet away when they were ejected automatically after each shot?  The shells were found at the corner, Tippit's patrol car was about one hundred feet east of the corner.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #143 on: May 22, 2018, 07:27:01 PM »
The FBI came out to see Callaway.  They estimated that the closest Callaway was to the killer was fifty-six feet.  That distance is plenty close enough to positively identify someone.  However, when trying to determine if a handgun is an automatic pistol or a revolver while the killer (who is running) has his fingers wrapped around it and you're fifty-sex feet away, it is perfectly reasonable (this is where I lose you) to assume the weapon is an automatic when in reality it is a revolver.

How do you know that the man that Callaway saw wasn't a citizen that thought he could run down the killer who had ducked into the alley before Callaway saw him?

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #144 on: May 22, 2018, 07:28:30 PM »
How do you know that the man that Callaway saw wasn't a citizen that thought he could run down the killer who had ducked into the alley before Callaway saw him?

Damn.  Just when I believed we were going to have an intelligent discussion for once.

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #145 on: May 22, 2018, 07:58:48 PM »
I didn't, Hill did. Keep up.

As if anyone cared.

Not needed with WC sheep like you, I saved a few keystrokes. To clear this up:

Poe and Barnes, under oath, failed to identify shells.

Dhority, under oath, not shown shells.

Doughty, not called, no shells identified under oath.


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I didn't, Hill did. Keep up.

Hill claimed AUTO was stamped on the shells?  Really?  Where can I have a look at that?  I can't wait to see what comes out of your mouth next.


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Not needed with WC sheep like you, I saved a few keystrokes. To clear this up:

Exactly what I would expect from someone like you who misspoke.


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Dhority, under oath, not shown shells.

Doughty, not called, no shells identified under oath.

This is a far cry from your earlier misstatement that Dhority and Doughty "could not identify the shells under oath".

I was right, you were being dishonest.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #146 on: May 23, 2018, 12:34:29 AM »
Damn.  Just when I believed we were going to have an intelligent discussion for once.

Hey, I just asked a logical question.....

How do you know that the man that Callaway saw wasn't a citizen that thought he could run down the killer who had ducked into the alley before Callaway saw him?

If you don't know...just be a gentleman and say so.....

Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #147 on: May 23, 2018, 03:42:23 AM »
You mean the ones he put his mark in?

You never misspoke?

Error corrected, live with it.

Doesn't change a thing of what's on record: Poe and Barnes failed miserably under oath.

Doesn't change a thing of what's on record: Poe and Barnes failed miserably under oath.

What makes you think Brown cares about what's on the record?

He'll go with third party hearsay crap over official records whenever it serves his purpose....

Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #148 on: May 23, 2018, 03:53:18 AM »
http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=41&relPageId=58

-snip-

Mr. Hill Right. And Poe showed me a Winston cigarette package that
contained three spent jackets from shells that he said a citizen had pointed
out to him where the suspect had reloaded his gun and dropped these in the
grass, and that the citizen had picked them up and put them in the Winston
package.
  I told Poe to maintain the chain of evidence as small as possible, for him
to retain these at the time, and to be sure and mark them for evidence, and
then turn them over to the crime lab when he got there, or to homicide.


-snip-


Radio message from Tippit murder scene. 11/22/63 app. 1:35 pm
550/2 (Sgt. G.L. Hill)"The shells at the scene indicate that the suspect is armed with an automatic 38, rather than a pistol."

Offline Gary Craig

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #149 on: May 23, 2018, 03:55:52 AM »
"On the Trail of the Assassins"
by Jim Garrisson.

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"....As I continued my research, I discovered that beyond the eyewitnesses
there was other evidence gathered and altered by the Dallas homicide
unit showing that Lee Oswald had been framed in the Tippit murder.

For instance, I read transcripts of the messages sent over the Dallas
police radio shortly after the murder. These were recorded automat-
ically on a log. Just minutes after a citizen first reported the murder on
Tippit's radio, Patrolman H.W. Summers in Dallas police unit
number 221 (the designation for the squad car) reported that an
"eyeball witness to the getaway man" had been located. The suspect
was described as having black wavy hair, wearing an Eisenhower jacket
of light color, with dark trousers and a white shirt. He was "apparently
armed with a .32, dark finish, automatic pistol," which he had in his
right hand. Moments later, Sergeant G. Hill reported that "the shell at
the scene indicates that the suspect is armed with an automatic .38
rather than a pistol."

It seemed clear to me from this that the hand gun used to shoot
Tippit was an automatic. But the gun allegedly taken from Lee Oswald
when Dallas police later arrested him at the Texas Theatre was a
revolver. Unless Oswald had stopped and changed guns, which no one
had ever suggested, this fact alone put a severe hole in the govern-
ment's case."


~snip~

 

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