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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #130 on: May 22, 2018, 07:58:05 AM »
Caught on tape...

550/2 (Sgt. G.L. Hill)

The shells at the scene indicate that the suspect is armed with an automatic 38, rather than a pistol.

Earlier on tape...

221 (Ptm. H.W. Summers)

Might can give you some additional information. I got an eye-ball witness to the get-away man. That suspect in this shooting is a white male, twenty-seven, five feet eleven, a hundred sixty-five, black wavy hair, fair complected, wearing a light grey Eisenhower-type jacket, dark trousers and a white shirt, and (. . . ?). Last seen running on the north side of the street from Patton, on Jefferson, on East Jefferson. And he was apparently armed with a 32 dark-finish automatic pistol which he had in his right hand.

Mistakes happen.  Right?

If the killer was using an automatic weapon, why weren't the shells found near the patrol car, where the killer was standing when he fired the shots... instead of about one hundred feet away over at the corner?

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #131 on: May 22, 2018, 09:10:50 AM »
How come something is a 'mistake' only when it contradicts the official story?

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #132 on: May 22, 2018, 09:39:43 AM »
Not when they are stamped AUTO.

You mean those shells that Poe, Barnes, Dhority and Doughty could not identify under oath?


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Not when they are stamped AUTO.

Okay.  So now all you have to do is show that these shells were stamped AUTO.


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You mean those shells that Poe, Barnes, Dhority and Doughty could not identify under oath?

You better check again.  Odum showed the shells to Doughty and Dhority.  Dhority positively identified the shell he received from Virginia Davis.  Doughty positively identified the shell he received from Barbara Davis.  Odum also showed the shells to Barnes.  Barnes identified his marks on the other two shells.  Poe probably never placed his marks on the shells in the first place.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #133 on: May 22, 2018, 09:46:57 AM »
How come something is a 'mistake' only when it contradicts the official story?

The real true physical evidence proves that a mistake was made when Hill radioed in that the shells found at the scene indicated that the gunman was armed with an automatic weapon.

The real true physical evidence proves that a mistake was made when Callaway told Patrolman Summers that the killer was armed with a dark-finish automatic pistol.

The real true physical evidence are the shells found at the scene.  These shells, all four of them, were not from an automatic weapon.  Hill even clearly admitted his mistake later, once he was more clear on the details surrounding the finding of the shells.  Callaway simply made a mistake in identifying a revolver as an automatic pistol.  He got the key points right, that the man was indeed Oswald and that Oswald was wearing a light Eisenhower-type jacket.

Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #134 on: May 22, 2018, 12:36:12 PM »
The real true physical evidence proves that a mistake was made when Hill radioed in that the shells found at the scene indicated that the gunman was armed with an automatic weapon.

The real true physical evidence proves that a mistake was made when Callaway told Patrolman Summers that the killer was armed with a dark-finish automatic pistol.

The real true physical evidence are the shells found at the scene.  These shells, all four of them, were not from an automatic weapon.  Hill even clearly admitted his mistake later, once he was more clear on the details surrounding the finding of the shells.  Callaway simply made a mistake in identifying a revolver as an automatic pistol.  He got the key points right, that the man was indeed Oswald and that Oswald was wearing a light Eisenhower-type jacket.

Callaway was familiar with hand guns ( as he testified) so he would recognize a gun......But he was not familiar with Lee Oswald .....so there's no way he could identify the man with the dark- finish automatic pistol as Lee Oswald.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #135 on: May 22, 2018, 05:26:14 PM »
How could the ambulance arrive at the SAME TIME it supposedly received the call?

Another thing RC.....
There never was any statement or testimony before the commission from the ambulance guys ..ambulance driver Clayton J. Butler, Jr. and assistant Eddie Kinsley. [At least none I ever read]
Kinsley was interviewed years later by journalists.
About the instant dispatch...I guess someone used a cell phone ;)
 
 
 

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #136 on: May 22, 2018, 05:49:02 PM »
By "two types of bullets" you mean made by different manufacturers; Winchester-Western and Remington-Peters. When Oswald was arrested in the Texas Theatre, his revolver contained six cartridges in it. Three of those cartridges were manufactured by Winchester-Western. The other three were manufactured by Remington-Peters.

 Not the question I was asked by Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #137 on: May 22, 2018, 05:59:28 PM »
  Hill even clearly admitted his mistake later, once he was more clear on the details surrounding the finding of the shells.   
Right...... BS:
Hill screwed up alright.
His superiors apparently motivated him to be 'more clear'.
He failed to properly cover his backside.
Quoting directly from the DPD transcript.....

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The shell at the scene indicates that the suspect is armed with a automatic .38 rather than a pistol [Hill]



The above is a .38 auto [.380]
The below is a .38 special




A police officer would know the difference.
Actually, a blind man could know the difference!


Online Richard Smith

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #138 on: May 22, 2018, 07:04:42 PM »
What Oswald said happened when he left the TSBD about 12:33pm, thinking no work existed the rest of that day, is exactly what could have happened. The walk, bus ride, taxi, boarding house, putting on a jacket and carrying a .38, and then walking to the movie theater. I don't think much about the .38 as it was Texas 1963. The timing would fit better if he indeed walked directly to the Texas Theater.  However, we run into one MAJOR problem. Pulling the .38 on the cop. In my opinion, not the actions of an innocent man, unless something else is at play here.
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How about the probability of being in the very building from which shots were fired at the President and then within an hour passing the scene of the Tippit shooting (the only DPD officer shot within a few years of that date), looking so much like the Tippit murderer that witnesses ID Oswald, carrying a pistol and having the same two types of ammo in his pistol as the killer.  And oh yeah, acting so suspiciously as to draw the attention of a random shoe salesman, then sneaking into a movie theater without buying a ticket, pulling a gun on a police officer, and lying about his ownership of a rifle.  And all this after being so unlucky as to make an unscheduled trip the night before to the location where he stored his rifle, carrying a long package to work that morning (and lying about this) and leaving his prints on the very boxes in the SN.  Poor Old Lee was just roaming about in Mr. Magoo-like bliss to the movies and couldn't catch a break that day.  LOL.

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #139 on: May 22, 2018, 07:10:07 PM »
Not in evidence.

I already did, earlier when nanny Nickerson had to bail you out.

Under oath:

-- Poe and Barnes could not identify shells
-- Dhority was not shown shells
-- Doughty was not called.

Done.


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Not in evidence.

So then why are you claiming the shells were stamped AUTO?


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I already did, earlier when nanny Nickerson had to bail you out.

In the old forum, I created a thread with a huge opening post addressing Q74, Q75, Q76 and Q77 and Poe, Barnes, Doughty and Dhority.  However, just because you question me doesn't mean that I will jump through your Kook hoops every time.

Also, you're not worthy of even saying Tim Nickerson's name.


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Under oath:

-- Poe and Barnes could not identify shells
-- Dhority was not shown shells
-- Doughty was not called.

Odum showed the shells to Doughty and Dhority.  Dhority positively identified the shell he received from Virginia Davis.  Doughty positively identified the shell he received from Barbara Davis.  But, if Dhority was not shown the shells and Doughty was not called, then why are you saying that they could not identify the shells under oath?  You wouldn't be trying a dishonest tactic, would you?
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