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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #120 on: May 22, 2018, 12:50:53 AM »
It is corroborated the other witness who saw two assailants  Two kinds of bullets The cop car that went by Oswald's boarding house and suspicious behavior and stories of other cops such as Westbrook Not a very comprehensive answer on my part, but what single witness to all of this is not not contradicted by another in some respect?

No.

The real witnesses (Markham, Benavides, Scoggins) who were actually there (strange concept, I know) describe Tippit encountering just one man. 

"Two kinds of bullets" means absolutely nothing... unless you care to elaborate.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #121 on: May 22, 2018, 01:38:03 AM »
 Any non police witnesses who saw Oswald with the gun in the theater?
Bernard Haire, owner of a hobby shop two doors from the theater, walked out the rear of his shop shortly before 2:00 PM and saw police cars backed up to Madison Street. He watched as the police escorted a man from the rear of the Texas Theater wearing a "white pullover shirt." They placed the man in a squad car and drove away. He noticed the man was very "flush" in the face as though he had been in a struggle. Haire's description of this man-"white shirt" with a "flush face"-is consistent with witness statements of Tippit's killer before, during and after the shooting

Shortly after 2:00 PM, Mr. T. F. White observed a man sitting in a 1961 red Ford Falcon, with the engine running, in the El Chico parking lot behind his garage. This is five blocks north of the Texas Theater. As Mr. White approached the car, the driver turned and looked at him. The driver then sped off in a westerly direction on Davis Street. Mr. White, who later saw Oswald's picture on TV, said the man in the Falcon was identical to Oswald and wore a "white T-shirt." When told by the FBI that Oswald was in jail at 2:00 PM, White still maintained that the man he saw driving the red Falcon was "possibly identical" to the Oswald he had seen on TV after the assassination. This Oswald "sighting" shortly after Harvey Oswald's arrest at the Texas Theater could have been a case of mistaken identity. But Mr. White, who had been given police training, wrote down the vehicle's license plate number. The plates belonged to a blue 1957 Plymouth 4 door sedan-not a 1961 red Ford Falcon. The Plymouth belonged to Carl Mather, a long time employee of Collins Radio and close friend of J.D. Tippit. Newsman and former Dallas Mayor Wes Wise heard of the unusual Oswald sighting. Mr. Wise and fellow news reporter Jane Bartell questioned Mather about the incident over dinner. Mather was so nervous he could hardly talk and said little. In 1977 the HSCA wanted to interview Mather about this incident. He agreed, but not before he was granted immunity from prosecution by the Justice Department. Mather was interviewed by the HSCA, but most of the documents relating to that interview remain classified in the National Archives. Wh
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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #122 on: May 22, 2018, 01:57:46 AM »
Acquilla Clemons was NOT a witness to the "slaying of Patrolman Tippit".

I guess Helen Markham, Domingo Benavides and William Scoggins somehow managed to miss the mysterious second killer.  I wonder how they could have missed him.

OMG!   I find myself in agreement with Billy Bob......    Watta revoltin situation....

Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #123 on: May 22, 2018, 02:45:28 AM »
No.

The real witnesses (Markham, Benavides, Scoggins) who were actually there (strange concept, I know) describe Tippit encountering just one man. 

"Two kinds of bullets" means absolutely nothing... unless you care to elaborate.

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Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #124 on: May 22, 2018, 02:59:55 AM »
No.

The real witnesses (Markham, Benavides, Scoggins) who were actually there (strange concept, I know) describe Tippit encountering just one man. 

"Two kinds of bullets" means absolutely nothing... unless you care to elaborate.

 And your witnesses were able to pick Oswald out of a line up before his face was shown on TV?

Benavides is in the opposite direction for the Davis girls, yet he says Oswald walked straight towards him? Did he then turn and go in the opposite direction? By the way, why do you call them girls? Were they minors?

 As far as two kinds of bullets, lets just consider the law of averages how often is it the case when two types of bullets are found in a victim do those bullets come from one or two shooters

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #125 on: May 22, 2018, 04:40:01 AM »

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #126 on: May 22, 2018, 04:45:54 AM »

 As far as two kinds of bullets, lets just consider the law of averages how often is it the case when two types of bullets are found in a victim do those bullets come from one or two shooters

By "two types of bullets" you mean made by different manufacturers; Winchester-Western and Remington-Peters. When Oswald was arrested in the Texas Theatre, his revolver contained six cartridges in it. Three of those cartridges were manufactured by Winchester-Western. The other three were manufactured by Remington-Peters.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #128 on: May 22, 2018, 06:37:28 AM »
"On The Trail Of The Assassins"
by Jim Garrisson.

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"...The bullets found in Officer Tippit's body and the cartridges found
at the scene of his murder yielded further evidence of the frameup. The
Dallas coroner had conducted an autopsy on Tippit's body and had
removed four bullets from it. Three of them, it turned out, were
copper-coated and had been manufactured by the Winchester Western
company. The fourth, however, was a lead bullet made by the
Remington-Peters company

This was awfully strange, I thought, because bullets were never sold
in mixed lots. Gun users bought either a box of all Winchesters or one
of all Remingtons, but not some of each. The discovery of two different
makes of bullets in Tippit's body indicated to me and would indicate
to most experienced police officers a likelihood that two different
gunmen did the shooting. This was consistent with the eyewitness
testimony of Acquilla Clemons and Mr. and Mrs. Wright.

When a homicide occurs, it is standard operating procedure for the
police homicide division to send off the bullets and cartridges to the
F.B.I. Iaboratory in Washington, D.C. for study and possible identi-
fication of the gun that fired them. In this case, the Dallas homicide
unit, understandably shy about advertising the coroner's discovery,
sent only one bullet to the F.B.I. Iab, informing the Bureau that this
was the only bullet found in Tippit's body.

To everyone's surprise, the Bureau lab found that the bullet did not
match Oswald's revolver. When it discovered this oddity, the Warren
Commission was inspired to look for other bullets that might match
up better. Although the Commission never received a copy of Tippit's
autopsy report, somehow it found out that four bullets rather than
merely one had been found in Tippit's body. The ordinarily incu-
rious Commission asked the F.B.I. to inquire about the three missing
bullets, and they were found after four months gathering dust in
the files of the Dallas homicide division.

These bullets were sent to the F.B.I. Iab. But Special Agent Court-
landt Cunningham, the ballistics expert from the lab, testified before
the Commission that the lab was unable to conclude that any of the
four bullets found in Tippit's body had been fired by the revolver taken
from Lee Oswald..."


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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #129 on: May 22, 2018, 07:55:26 AM »
At the Tippit shooting scene, four shell casings were found.  Two of these were Remington-Peters and two were Winchester-Westerns.

Of the four bullets removed from Tippit's body, one was Remington-Peters and three were Winchester-Westerns.

There is a missing Winchester-Western shell and a missing Remington-Peters bullet.

Possible scenario:

It very well could be that Oswald fired five shots (instead of only the four which hit Tippit).  These five shots were two Remington-Peters and three Winchester-Westerns.  One Remington-Peters bullet was never found and one Winchester-Western shell was never found.

 

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