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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #110 on: May 21, 2018, 01:04:50 PM »
The ambulance was there in a flash.

Seems like everything happened "in a flash" that day :-\

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #111 on: May 21, 2018, 05:42:41 PM »

Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #112 on: May 21, 2018, 07:54:22 PM »

"Dallas researcher Michael Brownlow interviewed Doris Holan, who lived directly across the street from the shooting, in a second-floor apartment at 409 East Tenth (researcher Bill Pulte accompanied Brownlow on one of his two interviews with Holan shortly before her death in 2000). She said that a police car had appeared in the driveway between the two houses (404 and 410 East Tenth) at the spot where Tippit was killed. Whether Tippit did so intentionally or coincidentally, he had blocked that driveway, which led to an alley at mid-block, parallel to both East Tenth and Jefferson Boulevard. Tippit, while driving eastward, may have been trying to use his squad car to prevent another police car from leaving the driveway. Holan said when she heard shots and looked out her window, the other police car was heading down the driveway approaching Tippit's vehicle.

... 'She saw a man leaving the scene, moving westward toward Patton... Near the (second) police car she also saw a man in the driveway walking toward the street, where Tippit's car was parked.' That man went up to where Tippit was lying, looked down to inspect the officer's head, and retreated back down the driveway, with the unidentified police car backing up at the same time to the alley. So Holan reported at least three suspicious men at the scene, including two men on foot and the driver of the second police car. Whoever killed Tippit may have fled in that car or in another vehicle or on foot through that alley adjacent to the shooting scene. And Tippit may have been shot by two men, a possibility the ballistics evidence, with different kinds of ammunition, might suggest, even though that evidence is unreliable. Most (not all) witnesses reported a man fleeing around the corner and up Patton toward Jefferson, which would be compatible with Holan's account.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #113 on: May 21, 2018, 09:34:21 PM »
"Dallas researcher Michael Brownlow interviewed Doris Holan, who lived directly across the street from the shooting, in a second-floor apartment at 409 East Tenth (researcher Bill Pulte accompanied Brownlow on one of his two interviews with Holan shortly before her death in 2000). She said that a police car had appeared in the driveway between the two houses (404 and 410 East Tenth) at the spot where Tippit was killed. Whether Tippit did so intentionally or coincidentally, he had blocked that driveway, which led to an alley at mid-block, parallel to both East Tenth and Jefferson Boulevard. Tippit, while driving eastward, may have been trying to use his squad car to prevent another police car from leaving the driveway. Holan said when she heard shots and looked out her window, the other police car was heading down the driveway approaching Tippit's vehicle.

... 'She saw a man leaving the scene, moving westward toward Patton... Near the (second) police car she also saw a man in the driveway walking toward the street, where Tippit's car was parked.' That man went up to where Tippit was lying, looked down to inspect the officer's head, and retreated back down the driveway, with the unidentified police car backing up at the same time to the alley. So Holan reported at least three suspicious men at the scene, including two men on foot and the driver of the second police car. Whoever killed Tippit may have fled in that car or in another vehicle or on foot through that alley adjacent to the shooting scene. And Tippit may have been shot by two men, a possibility the ballistics evidence, with different kinds of ammunition, might suggest, even though that evidence is unreliable. Most (not all) witnesses reported a man fleeing around the corner and up Patton toward Jefferson, which would be compatible with Holan's account.

Do any of the aspects of Holan's story fit with other witnesses accounts?....If the answer is no then perhaps Holan's story is not credible.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #114 on: May 21, 2018, 11:39:11 PM »
Do any of the aspects of Holan's story fit with other witnesses accounts?....If the answer is no then perhaps Holan's story is not credible.

 It is corroborated the other witness who saw two assailants  Two kinds of bullets The cop car that went by Oswald's boarding house and suspicious behavior and stories of other cops such as Westbrook Not a very comprehensive answer on my part, but what single witness to all of this is not not contradicted by another in some respect?

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #115 on: May 22, 2018, 12:34:57 AM »
Sometimes you just have to laugh about the circular arguments of a simpleton.....

Witnesses at the Tippit scene claimed the man they saw was wearing a jacket. Ergo, if Oswald did not leave the roominghouse wearing a jacket, he might just not have been the man those witnesses saw.

So enter Earlene Roberts, the half blind story teller who was concentrating on getting the TV to work, who is the only person who could possibly say if Oswald left wearing a jacket or not.....and, despite her credibility problem with honking police cars etc, mr. simpleton blindly accepts her word for it, because..... wait for it........... other witnesses saw a guy wearing a jacket.....pfffffffff

Let's hope the day will never come that mr simpleton understands circular logic.... the shock of becoming aware might just prove too much for him.

Earlene Roberts mentions the jacket on the afternoon of 11/22/63.  This is a fact.  Get over it.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #116 on: May 22, 2018, 12:36:05 AM »
All the WC/LN BS about the jacked has already been picked apart in this thread:

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,124.0.html

Picked apart?  LOL

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #117 on: May 22, 2018, 12:40:28 AM »
RE Clemons

Speculation.?Another witness to the slaying of Patrolman Tippit,
an unidentified woman, was interviewed by the FBI but was never
called as a witness by the President's Commission on the Assassination
of President Kennedy. This witness is alleged to have stated that
she saw two men involved in the shooting and that they ran off in
opposite directions afterward.

Commission finding.?The only woman among the witnesses to the
slaying of Tippit known to the Commission is Helen Markham. The
FBI never interviewed any other woman who claimed to haive seen
the shooting and never received any information concerning the existence
of such a witness. Two women, Barbara Jeanette Davis and
Virginia Davis, saw the killer immediately after the shooting as
he crossed the lawn at the corner of Patton Avenue and 10th Street,
but they did not witness the shooting itself. They were both interviewed
by the FBI and appeared before the Commission. The Commission
has no evidence that there was any witness to the slaying
other than those identified in chapter IV.


Not exactly speculation if it wasn't the FBI who talked to her...those lawyers were no fools.

Acquilla Clemons was NOT a witness to the "slaying of Patrolman Tippit".

I guess Helen Markham, Domingo Benavides and William Scoggins somehow managed to miss the mysterious second killer.  I wonder how they could have missed him.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #118 on: May 22, 2018, 12:41:53 AM »
Seems like everything happened "in a flash" that day :-\

I'm not sure what you mean by that but nevertheless, the ambulance was only one and a half blocks away (at the funeral home) at the time of the shooting.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #119 on: May 22, 2018, 12:47:19 AM »
"Dallas researcher Michael Brownlow interviewed Doris Holan, who lived directly across the street from the shooting, in a second-floor apartment at 409 East Tenth (researcher Bill Pulte accompanied Brownlow on one of his two interviews with Holan shortly before her death in 2000). She said that a police car had appeared in the driveway between the two houses (404 and 410 East Tenth) at the spot where Tippit was killed. Whether Tippit did so intentionally or coincidentally, he had blocked that driveway, which led to an alley at mid-block, parallel to both East Tenth and Jefferson Boulevard. Tippit, while driving eastward, may have been trying to use his squad car to prevent another police car from leaving the driveway. Holan said when she heard shots and looked out her window, the other police car was heading down the driveway approaching Tippit's vehicle.

... 'She saw a man leaving the scene, moving westward toward Patton... Near the (second) police car she also saw a man in the driveway walking toward the street, where Tippit's car was parked.' That man went up to where Tippit was lying, looked down to inspect the officer's head, and retreated back down the driveway, with the unidentified police car backing up at the same time to the alley. So Holan reported at least three suspicious men at the scene, including two men on foot and the driver of the second police car. Whoever killed Tippit may have fled in that car or in another vehicle or on foot through that alley adjacent to the shooting scene. And Tippit may have been shot by two men, a possibility the ballistics evidence, with different kinds of ammunition, might suggest, even though that evidence is unreliable. Most (not all) witnesses reported a man fleeing around the corner and up Patton toward Jefferson, which would be compatible with Holan's account.


 Mike Brownlow?  After her death?  Then it must be true.

 

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