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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2018, 08:40:16 PM »
McDonald is quoted as saying that the firing pin failed when Oswald tried to shot him in the theater Are you saying he is incorrect??

Let's start at the beginning.  Cite McDonald.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2018, 09:18:19 PM »
from
"VINNIE IT IS ROUND"
by Mark Lane


                     "The Commission claimed that Mrs. Markham identified Lee Harvey Oswald as the man who shot the policeman at a line up on November 22 and that in testimony before the Commission, Mrs. Markham confirmed her positive identification of Lee Harvey Oswald as the man she saw kill Officer Tippit. Captain Fritz - who needed that identification real quickly -- testified that the lineup was hurriedly arranged at 4:30 that afternoon, less than three and a half hours after Tippit's death and less than that after Oswald's arrest. Mrs Markham was "quite hysterical" when she arrived at police headquarters. Her state and the atmosphere in the lineup room are best described by the record of her testimony."

Q: Now when you went into the room you looked these people over, these four men?

Markham: Yes , sir.

Q: Did you recognize anyone in the lineup?

Markham: No, sir

Q: You did not? Did you see anybody-I have asked you that question before-did you recognize anybody from their face?

          "Counsel wished to remind Mrs. Markham that when he had prepared her for her testimony, before
a record of her answers was made, the matter had been discussed. To prepare a witness for testimony may
be acceptable where adversary and hostile cross-examination is expected, and it is also a legitimate way of
preventing repetition and irrelevant conjecture. The record of the Warren Commission, however, reveals no
such cross-examination and was burdened to such a degree by repetition and irrelevance that the initial
preparation seems to have been for the purpose of leading the witness to give an appropiate answer."


Markham: From their face, no.

Q: Did you identify anybody in these four people?

Markham: I didn't know nobody.

Q: I know you didn't know nobody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?

Markham: No. I had never seen none of them, none of these men.

Q: No one of the four?

Markham: No one of them.

Q: No one of the four?

Markham: No, sir.

        "At this point counsel, a teacher of criminal law and procedure at the University of Southern California and a member of the U.S. Judical Conference Advisory Committee on Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, asked a rather leading question. Mrs. Markham said that she recognized no one at the lineup; counsel tried five times for a more acceptable answer. Then, departing a little from the legal procedure he teaches, he next asked his friendly but disconcerting witness, "Was there a number two man in there?" Mrs. Markham replied, "Number two is the one I picked." Counsel began another question: "I thought you just told me that you hadn't, but Mrs. Markham interrupted to answer inexplicably, "I thought you wanted me to describe their clothing."

Counsel then inquired:

Q: You recognized him from his appearance?

Markham: I asked-I looked at him. When I saw this man I wasn't sure, but I had cold chills just run all over me.

        "A mystical identification at best. However, the Commission was satisfied that its lawyer had at last
obtained the right answer: "Addressing itself solely to the probative value of Mrs. Markham's contemporaneous description of the gunman and her identification of Oswald at a police lineup, the Commission considers her testimony reliable."


Once the confusion was settled, Markham said this...

"Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman."

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2018, 09:23:15 PM »


"He can bitch and holler all he wants to, but that's the man I saw running from the scene." - William Scoggins

(Jim Leavelle interview with Dale Myers)
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2018, 09:27:05 PM »
You are asking him to make case against the chain of possession when the chain of possession has not been established Not surprising that you have not got an answer from CT's because its irrational

What's irrational is bitching about a lack of a chain of possession while not showing where the break in the chain is.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2018, 09:30:41 PM »
You forgot the witness who got the best look at Tippit's killer and whose description of the murderer doesn't

match a photo taken of LHO while in DPD custody on 11/22/63.

Testimony Of Domingo Benavides

Mr. BELIN - Where were you when your vehicle stopped?
Mr. BENAVIDES - About 15 foot, just directly across the street and maybe a car length away from the police car.

~snip~

Mr. Belin: Let me ask you now, I would like you to relate again the action of the man with the gun as you saw him now.

Mr. Benavides: As I saw him, I really--I mean really got a good view of the man after the bullets were fired he had just turned. He was just turning away........

~snip~

Mr. BENAVIDES - I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline was sort of--looked like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapered off. and he looked like he needed a haircut for about 2 weeks, but his hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down and squared off and made his head look fiat in back.

~snip~




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You forgot the witness who got the best look at Tippit's killer...

No.  It could easily be argued that each of the Davis girls and Scoggins got better looks at the killer than did Benavides.

Barbara Davis:  Picked Oswald out of a lineup.

Virginia Davis:  Picked Oswald out of a lineup.

William Scoggins:  Picked Oswald out of a lineup.

Domingo Benavides:  Decided that he did not get a good enough look at the killer to attend a lineup.


Duh.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2018, 09:33:40 PM »
"He can bitch and holler he wants to, but that's the man I saw running from the scene." - William Scoggins

(Jim Leavelle interview with Dale Myers)


Bill Brown believes things that witnesses said 30 years later, except for those times when he doesn't.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2018, 09:35:52 PM »

TESTIMONY OF TED CALLAWAY

~snip~

Mr. BALL. He was crossing Patton?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Was that to the south or the north of the taxicab? Closer to you than the taxicab?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Was he running or walking?
Mr. CALLAWAY. He was running.

~snip~

Mr. BALL. About what distance was he away from you--the closest that he ever was to you?
Mr. CALLAWAY. About 56 feet.
Mr. BALL. You measured that, did you?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Last Saturday morning?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Measured it with a tape measure?

~snip~

So what?  Is fifty-six feet supposed to be some great, insurmountable distance?  Lame.

Any golfer realizes that a distance less than nineteen yards is no great distance at all.


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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #37 on: May 11, 2018, 09:40:07 PM »
The Davises also could not identify the shells in evidence as the same ones they gave to officers.

So two young women couldn't positively state that the shells in evidence were the same shells they found.  Boy, you sure got a blockbuster there.

This does not negate the fact that the two shells in evidence are the two shells the girls found.

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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2018, 09:42:03 PM »


"He can bitch and holler all he wants to, but that's the man I saw running from the scene." - William Scoggins

Live with it.
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Re: Lee Oswald The Cop Killer
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2018, 09:44:33 PM »
The two Davis shells were linked, through ballistics, to Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of any other weapon.  The chain of possession for these two shells is clear and perfectly intact.

"Oswald's revolver".  LOL.

I think you mean the revolver that Gerald Hill pulled out of his pocket at the station two hours later which only then was initialed by any of the cops.

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Any issue (if there are any) with the chain of possession of the two Poe shells does not change the fact that the two Davis shells convict Oswald.

What is your evidence that the shells that the Davis women handed to cops came from the boy they saw crossing their yard?
 Or indeed even came from the crime scene at all?

 

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